Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali
co-founders of Alt Academy
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Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali are the co-founders of Alt Academy. Hashamali said he left within six months because he was not in tune with the culture. He joined the Cedar team in 2015, starting as an intern.
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Bilal Hameed: early life
Hameed was born in Karachi. His father served in the Pakistan Navy, and the family moved often because of the armed forces. The family lived in Islamabad, and Hameed spent about a year in the United States. [1]
Bilal Hameed: education
Hameed completed his O-levels and A-levels in Karachi. After A-levels he went to New York to study because he liked it there. He studied at City University of New York and then transferred to Rutgers. His undergraduate major was computer science, and he also took a minor in chemistry and studied Middle Eastern studies. His Middle Eastern studies coursework included the ethics and history of Islam and Persian language. He graduated in 2002, and says his most amazing learning years were his four years in college, not A-levels. [1]
Bilal Hameed: teaching and schools
Hameed has said he was the eldest and had to take care of his family and earn a living, and that he had to start earning a living at 22 to support his family. He has said he always loved teaching, having taught his friends before tests. He taught tuition by going to students' homes, and he taught at an O-level school during the day and did tuition in the evenings. [1]
Hameed was one of two people on the committee that set up Nixor, and he turned down a partnership offer there. He helped set up Cedar College, with about four or five people at first. He has said Cedar was the first school in Karachi set up only by teachers. He served as dean and principal of Cedar College, and said that while he was running a school, it had something called core courses. [1]
Hameed said he first thought he could innovate within the school system, but found the resistance from within too much. He says he quit his other schools, including Cedar, and quit most of his other commitments to focus on Alt Academy. He said he has been teaching the exact same thing for 20 years. [1]
Asad Hashamali: early life and education
Hashamali was born in Hong Kong. His father was sent to Hong Kong to set up the family business. His family moved to Dallas in 2001, and he moved to Pakistan in 2005. He completed his O-levels and A-levels and did an undergraduate degree in economics and finance from the University of London. [1]
Asad Hashamali: career
Hashamali said he left within six months because he was not in tune with the culture. He joined the Cedar team in 2015, starting as an intern. At Cedar he helped set up the admissions team and ran it for a year, and he started working full-time at Cedar in the summer of 2017. Bilal Hameed said that when Hashamali was looking for a job there was no department, so he asked him to come and set up a department. Hashamali said his team ended up calling the department the Digital Media and Communications Department. [1]
Hashamali met someone in January 2018 who in October 2018 became his business partner. In summer 2021 he left a COO role and joined Alt Academy full-time. [1]
Alt Academy
Hashamali says Alt Academy was already public in 2018, before COVID. It first published free YouTube videos for physics, economics and chemistry, and initially saw no point in monetizing its content. Hashamali says it was bootstrapped in its early phase. The founders made a business plan after COVID subsided, around 2021, and say they did not want to launch during COVID, so the launch would not seem to rely on the pandemic. They said the venture went from being bootstrapped to becoming a startup, and say they raised a decent amount of money to start the project. [1]
Hashamali says Alt Academy has served over 55,000 students in three years, and that its community was 50,000 to 60,000 people over three years. Alt Academy was testing a paywall in beta. Hameed says its biggest customers are parents, and said the decision makers are not the students. The founders say they do not claim to be heading for unicorn status because the market is niche. They said that at least three other founding members have had 20 years of experience in a classroom. [1]
Alt Academy's first phase aims to lower costs to a tenth or a twentieth of what a child spends in these four years. The founders said they have really focused on trimming down the entire content, and that with about 80 hours along with practice, a person can take the whole course. They say they have had curriculum developers design at least six courses, which have not yet been produced and were designed for in-person delivery. They said they are very much okay with using as much existing third-party software as possible. [1]
Views
The founders say Pakistan's education system is broken, and say they want to disrupt schools, with the academies already out the window. They say they use education as a means to enhance and elevate the country. They said that startups might have hired educators, but the educators are not sitting at the decision maker's table. Hameed said that, honestly speaking, in most schools students are not learning anything, and that many children in Karachi and Sindh are out of school. He said schools do not want to change just the exam they give, and that the second problem is that the government is not changing anything. He says the founders are waiting for companies in Pakistan to stop requiring bachelor's degrees, and said people in Karachi are more conservative about changing anything about their schooling. He says the long-term solution is a curriculum built on citizenship and honesty. [1]
Hameed believes students need somebody who knows a little more than they do, and that children should only go to school to engage in social learning with other friends. He says the approach he describes is what is called a flipped classroom model. He said that what he described as mastery based learning does not need technology, and says schools grade everything, while life does not grade things. He says the future of education will mimic how people learned from personal tutors, and predicts schools will become hangout spots. He defines radical redesign as building something that makes A-levels forgotten within ten years. The founders say what people see now is the first step of a multi-step process, and said they want to spread their idea around because the more others do it, the better everything becomes. [1]
Hameed believes that without innovation, everything will die out, and says innovation cannot occur in a company that has only standard roles. He says hiring should focus on attitude, because skills can be learned, and that computer science seems to be a very good general degree for being able to think. He describes himself as always an optimist, said he has lived his life in his own lane because he chose one, and predicts the world will become increasingly boundary-less. Hashamali believes you have to have insight into how you see the world and the future of an industry before you come up with an idea, and believes a business should be sustainable. He says Nixor was successful and broke even after its second year. [1]
Personal life
Hameed's mother lives with him. He has siblings living in Canada, Sri Lanka and England. [1]
Timeline
- 2001
- Hashamali's family moved to Dallas.[1]
- 2002
- Hameed graduated.[1]
- 2005
- Hashamali moved to Pakistan.[1]
- 2015
- Hashamali joined the Cedar team.[1]
- 2017
- Hashamali started working full-time at Cedar.[1]
- 2018
- Alt Academy was already public.[1]
- 2021
- Hashamali left a COO role and joined Alt Academy full-time.[1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2022-11-23 | Pakistan's schools are built to give grades, not education | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
What does Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali do?
Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali run Alt Academy, which first published free YouTube videos for physics, economics and chemistry. The founders say they want to disrupt schools. They say their first phase aims to lower costs to a tenth or a twentieth of what a child spends in these four years.[1]
Where did Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali study?
Hameed studied at City University of New York and then transferred to Rutgers, with an undergraduate major in computer science. He graduated in 2002. Hashamali did an undergraduate degree in economics and finance from the University of London.[1]
Where is Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali from?
Hameed was born in Karachi, and Hashamali was born in Hong Kong. Hashamali's family moved to Dallas in 2001, and he moved to Pakistan in 2005.[1]
What is Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali known for?
Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali are known for Alt Academy. Hameed was also one of two people on the committee that set up Nixor, and he helped set up Cedar College, where he served as dean and principal.[1]
What do Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali say about education in Pakistan?
The founders say Pakistan's education system is broken. Hameed said that, honestly speaking, in most schools students are not learning anything. He also said the second problem is that the government is not changing anything.[1]
How many students has the Alt Academy of Bilal Hameed & Asad Hashamali served?
Hashamali says Alt Academy has served over 55,000 students in three years. He says its community was 50,000 to 60,000 people over three years. Alt Academy was testing a paywall in beta.[1]
References
- Pakistan's schools are built to give grades, not education . Thought Behind Things , 2022-11-23.
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- Bilal Hameed was born in Karachi.
I was born in Karachi. My parents were living on the island of Manora, if you know.
- Bilal Hameed's father served in the Pakistan Navy.
my father was in the Pakistan Navy, so that's why we were there.
- Bilal Hameed's family moved often because of the armed forces.
Then as it was Pakistan Navy and any other armed forces, they move you around.
- Bilal Hameed's family lived in Islamabad.
So Islamabad aa gaye the hum. I literally was living in E-4.
- Bilal Hameed spent about a year in the United States.
then for a year we had we went to the US also.
- Bilal Hameed completed his O-levels and A-levels in Karachi.
I think O-levels bhi yahan se kiya, A-levels bhi Karachi mein hi kiya.
- After A-levels, Bilal Hameed went to New York to study because he liked it there.
uske baad padhne chale gaye bahar, New York, because I really liked it.
- Bilal Hameed studied at City University of New York and then transferred to Rutgers.
Went to a place called City University of New York for a year, transferred to Rutgers
- Bilal Hameed's undergraduate major was computer science.
So I was studying computer science. That was my undergrad.
- Bilal Hameed graduated in 2002.
Back in 2002. That that's the year of graduation.
- Bilal Hameed also took a minor in chemistry and studied Middle Eastern studies.
I also did minor in chemistry and Middle Eastern studies.
- His Middle Eastern studies coursework included the ethics and history of Islam and Persian language.
So I did six courses thay usmein, ethics of Islam, history of Islam, you know, Persian language.
- Bilal Hameed said he was the eldest and had to take care of his family and earn a living.
I had to take care of I was the eldest and I had to take care of family and earn a living.
- Bilal Hameed's mother lives with him.
Main akela hoon and I am the eldest and my mom lives with us.
- Bilal Hameed has siblings living in Canada, Sri Lanka and England.
ek bhai Canada mein hai, mera ek Sri Lanka mein aur ek behan England mein hai.
- Bilal Hameed said he had to start earning a living at 22 to support his family.
if you have to start earning a living at 22 for to support the whole family
- Bilal Hameed has said he always loved teaching, having taught his friends before tests.
I realized that I have always loved teaching because I used to teach my friends during test weeks.
- Bilal Hameed taught tuition by going to students' homes.
main gaadi mein baithta tha, logon ke ghar ja ke padhata tha.
- Bilal Hameed taught at an O-level school during the day and did tuition in the evenings.
I started joining an O-level and O-level school ke din mein wahan padhaoon, shaam mein tuition karoon.
- Bilal Hameed believes students need somebody who knows a little more than they do.
They need somebody who just knows a little bit more than them.
- Bilal Hameed was one of two people on the committee that set up Nixor.
At that time, the committee to make Nixor College was just two people, him and me.
- Bilal Hameed helped set up Cedar College, with about four or five people at first.
Toh initially Cedar was Cedar College was the school that we set up. There were about four, five of us, then more came along.
- Bilal Hameed has said Cedar was the first school in Karachi set up only by teachers.
I think Karachi mein this was the first school set up only by teachers.
- Bilal Hameed served as dean and principal of Cedar College.
I ran that school. I was a dean, principal for that school for three years also.
- Bilal Hameed turned down a partnership offer at Nixor.
So at Nixor, they offered to give me some partnership but I gave it up.
- Bilal Hameed said he first thought he could innovate within the school system, but found the resistance from within too much.
First I thought I could be in the system and innovate within the system but the resistance is too much from within the system.
- Bilal Hameed believes that without innovation, everything will die out.
I feel that without innovation, everything is going to die out.
- Bilal Hameed says he quit his other schools, including Cedar.
I quit all those schools. I quit Snickster, Cedar, all this.
- Bilal Hameed said he has been teaching the exact same thing for 20 years.
I've been teaching the exact same thing for 20 years.
- Bilal Hameed believes children should only go to school to engage in social learning with other friends.
They should only be they should only go to school to engage social in social learning, which is with other friends.
- Bilal Hameed says the approach he describes is what is called a flipped classroom model.
You know, it's it's what we call a flipped classroom model.
- Bilal Hameed defines radical redesign as building something that makes A-levels forgotten within ten years.
Radically redesigning means that main aaj ek aisi cheez bana raha hoon jismein aaj se 10 saal baad A-Levels ko log bhool jayenge.
- Alt Academy's founders say what people see now is the first step of a multi-step process.
what you're seeing us do is the first step to a multi-step process.
- Alt Academy's founders said they want to spread their idea around because the more others do it, the better everything becomes.
we want to spread the idea around because the more they do this, the better everything becomes.
- Bilal Hameed says the founders are waiting for companies in Pakistan to stop requiring bachelor's degrees.
So we are actually waiting for every company in the Pakistan to say we don't need bachelors.
- Bilal Hameed said schools do not want to change just the exam they give.
Schools don't want to change just the exam they give.
- Bilal Hameed said the second problem is that the government is not changing anything.
And the second problem is government is not changing anything.
- Bilal Hameed says Alt Academy's biggest customers are parents.
Our our biggest customers are parents.
- Bilal Hameed said the decision makers are not the students.
But the the decision makers are not the students.
- Bilal Hameed said people in Karachi are more conservative about changing anything about their schooling.
Karachi mein actually people are more conservative about changing anything about their schooling.
- Bilal Hameed said that while he was running a school, it had something called core courses.
When I was running when I was running the school also we used to have something called core courses.
- Alt Academy's founders say they have had curriculum developers design at least six courses.
we've had a couple of curriculum developers develop at least six of those courses
- Alt Academy has not yet produced those six courses, which were designed for in-person delivery.
We've not made them yet because they were to be delivered in person.
- Bilal Hameed describes himself as always an optimist.
And I'm always an optimist.
- Bilal Hameed said he has lived his life in his own lane because he chose one.
I've lived my life in my lane because I have chosen a lane
- Bilal Hameed predicts the world will become increasingly boundary-less.
I think it'll just be boundary less more and more it will be boundary less.
- Bilal Hameed said that, honestly speaking, in most schools students are not learning anything.
Honestly speaking, most schools mein kuch nahi seekh raha.
- Bilal Hameed says many children in Karachi and Sindh are out of school.
Karachi mein, Sindh mein to bahut zyada hi bachche bahar hain.
- Bilal Hameed says the long-term solution is a curriculum built on citizenship and honesty.
The long-term solution is a a curriculum jismein the foundations are based in citizenship, jismein honesty to self and society is at the core of it.
- Bilal Hameed says his most amazing learning years were his four years in college, not A-levels.
my most my most amazing learning years was not A-levels, was those 4 years in college.
- Bilal Hameed says computer science seems to be a very good general degree for being able to think.
Computer science seem to be the very good general degree to have to be able to think.
- Bilal Hameed says innovation cannot occur in a company that has only standard roles.
innovations can never occur in a company where you have standard roles.
- Bilal Hameed says hiring should focus on attitude, because skills can be learned.
we should only hire for attitude. And we the the skills can be learned.
- Bilal Hameed said that when Asad Hashamali was looking for a job there was no department, so he asked him to come and set up a department.
we had no department, so I asked him, you're looking for a job, come, let's set up a department.
- Bilal Hameed says the future of education will mimic how people learned from personal tutors.
So I really feel the future of education is going to mimic the history of how people learned.
- Bilal Hameed predicts schools will become hangout spots.
Schools will become hangout spots.
- Bilal Hameed said that what he described as mastery based learning does not need technology.
We don't even need tech for that. That's called mastery based learning.
- Bilal Hameed says schools grade everything, while life does not grade things.
We don't grade things in life but we grade everything in a school.
- Asad Hashamali was born in Hong Kong.
So I was born in Hong Kong, um, and, uh, just like Bilal, I have also had the the fortune or misfortune of traveling a lot
- Asad Hashamali's father was sent to Hong Kong to set up the family business.
Dad was sent from Jodia Bazaar to Hong Kong to set up the family business over there.
- Asad Hashamali's family moved to Dallas in 2001.
in 2001, uh, my family and I moved to Dallas.
- Asad Hashamali moved to Pakistan in 2005.
But, uh, moved to Pakistan in 2005.
- Asad Hashamali completed his O-levels and A-levels.
did my O levels from Bayview High, did my A levels from Lyceum.
- Asad Hashamali did an undergraduate degree in economics and finance from the University of London.
So I did my, uh, undergrad in Econ and Finance from the University of London.
- Asad Hashamali said he left within six months because he was not in tune with the culture.
but very quickly within six months I left because wasn't in tune with the culture.
- Asad Hashamali joined the Cedar team in 2015.
2015, I joined the Cedar team.
- Asad Hashamali started at Cedar as an intern.
I was just an intern, but I was that kid who wanted to do everything.
- At Cedar, Asad Hashamali helped set up the admissions team and ran it for a year.
helped set up the admissions team, ran the admissions team also for a year.
- Asad Hashamali started working full-time at Cedar in the summer of 2017.
in the summers of 2017, I started working full-time at Cedar.
- Asad Hashamali said his team ended up calling the department the Digital Media and Communications Department.
we ended up calling the department, uh, the Digital Media and Communications Department
- Asad Hashamali met someone in January 2018 who in October 2018 became his business partner.
in January 2018, I had the privilege of meeting Nageen Ansari, who in October 2018 would end up becoming my business partner.
- Asad Hashamali left a COO role and joined Alt Academy full-time in summer 2021.
summers of 2021, I decided to, uh, take off my mantle of being a COO at Backspace and joined full-time, uh, Alt Academy with Bilal.
- Asad Hashamali says Alt Academy was already public in 2018, before COVID.
it was already public in 2018. We were pre-COVID already there.
- Asad Hashamali says Alt Academy was bootstrapped in its early phase.
I mean, we had a couple of employees, but it was bootstrapped by me.
- Alt Academy first published free YouTube videos for physics, economics and chemistry.
Hum log, uh, video content on YouTube for free daal rahe the. Theek hai. For for at least two subjects, three almost, physics, economics, and chemistry.
- Asad Hashamali says Alt Academy initially saw no point in monetizing its content.
But Alt, initially, I recognized the fact that there is no point of monetizing it.
- Asad Hashamali says Alt Academy has served over 55,000 students in three years.
over the last three years, we've actually served over over 55,000 students.
- Asad Hashamali says Alt Academy's community was 50,000 to 60,000 people over three years.
Toh inke mila mila ke hamari community 50, 60 hazaar logon ki thi over three years.
- Alt Academy was testing a paywall in beta at the time of recording.
So we've we're in beta phase of that paywall.
- Alt Academy's founders say they do not claim to be heading for unicorn status because the market is niche.
We don't claim to be going to a unicorn, you know, because we know it's a niche market.
- The founders say Alt Academy raised a decent amount of money to start the project.
we raised a decent amount of money to start our project
- Alt Academy's first phase aims to lower costs to a tenth or a twentieth of what a child spends in these four years.
our first phase is to lower the cost massively, 10 times, 10 fold, 1/10th or 1/20th of what a child spends in these four years
- Asad Hashamali believes you have to have insight into how you see the world and the future of an industry before you come up with an idea.
you have to have a certain insight into how you see the world and the future of that industry before you come up with some idea.
- The founders said they have really focused on trimming down the entire content.
we have really focused on trimming down the entire content.
- The founders said that with about 80 hours along with practice, a person can take the whole course.
about 80 hours along with practice, you can you can actually take the whole course.
- The founders said that startups might have hired educators, but the educators are not sitting at the decision maker's table.
Every single startup who may they might have hired educators, but they're not sitting at the decision maker's table.
- The founders said that at least three other founding members, besides the speaker, have had 20 years of experience in a classroom.
not just me, but at least three other you could say founding members have had 20 years of experience in a classroom.
- The founders said they are very much okay with using as much existing third-party software as possible.
We are very much okay with using SaaS as much as possible that exists already out there, which is third party tools
- The founders say Pakistan's education system is broken.
Because hamara education system is broke. It's actually broke.
- The founders said they want to disrupt schools, and that the academies are already out the window.
No, no, we want to disrupt schools. The academies are already out the window
- The founders say they use education as a means to enhance and elevate the country.
So we used education as that means to enhance the country, to elevate the country
- The founders made a business plan after COVID subsided, around 2021.
So once COVID subsided, everything happened and we made a business plan out of it. This is 20 I think 2021.
- The founders say they did not want to launch during COVID, so the launch would not seem to rely on the pandemic.
So I don't want to launch anything during COVID because everybody would feel that yaar aap toh COVID ke backbone pe launch kar rahe hain.
- The founders said the venture went from being bootstrapped to becoming a startup.
That's the first time and it became from just being bootstrapped to now let's become a startup.
- Bilal Hameed says he quit most of his other commitments to focus on Alt Academy.
I quit most of my other commitments anyways ke hum log sirf is pe focus karein.
- Asad Hashamali says Nixor was successful and broke even after its second year.
pehle do saal mein Nixor was successful, breaking even after the second year.
- Asad Hashamali says he believes a business should be sustainable.
So, at that time, I truly believe ki business should be sustainable.