Omer Pervez Khan
venture capitalist at High Output Venture
Compiled from 1 recorded interview. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.
Omer Pervez Khan is a partner at High Output Venture. Khan went to a startup pitching competition, and describes himself as having been dragged there. He was struck by the energy and passion of the founders who were pitching.
Contents
- Accounting background
- Work with startup founders
- Move into venture capital
- High Output Venture
- Views on accounting and venture capital
- Views on investing
- Views on property and mutual funds
- Views on saving, cash and gold
- Views on money supply and the dollar
- Views on possible futures
- Views on digital currency and blockchain
- Appearances
- Frequently asked questions
- References
Accounting background
Khan's core background is in accounting. He was doing his training at PwC Ferguson in Islamabad. He describes auditing as good work that took him to big companies and put him in front of senior people. [1]
Work with startup founders
Khan went to a startup pitching competition, and describes himself as having been dragged there. He was struck by the energy and passion of the founders who were pitching. His wife was working at an accelerator. [1]
Khan began working with founders on a pro bono basis. He helped them with their accounts and financial models. He became something like a full-time fundraising consultant for founders, and also handled investor negotiations for them. He estimates that he worked with 50 or more entrepreneurs. [1]
Move into venture capital
Khan moved into venture capital as the VC scene grew in Pakistan. He offered a venture firm to work for free for four months, and the firm hired him after three months because of his experience. He has said that he was well into his career when he made the switch, and that he was around 30 or 31 at the time. [1]
High Output Venture
Khan describes High Output Venture as a Singapore based venture studio. It builds some companies itself and also invests in others. It has invested in a distribution business out of Myanmar and in a media studio in Vietnam. Its investments in Pakistan are now more on the venture side. [1]
Views on accounting and venture capital
Khan describes accounting as a cost center. He says clients will not pay beyond a set cost for an accounting service. In his view, venture capital and fund management make money for the people they invest for, and making money for a client has no limit. [1]
Views on investing
Khan defines an asset as something that gives its owner future economic benefits, and says investors should understand what an asset and a liability are. He recommends the book Rich Dad Poor Dad to anyone who wants to understand assets and liabilities. He says an investor should ask why they want to invest and where they want to get to. In his view, a plot that merely doubles in 10 years is savings, not an investment, and investing is a building process in which quick growth should not be expected. [1]
Khan says ROI basically means return on investment and should be judged after adjusting for inflation. He explains inflation as the steady fall in what money can buy over time. He says the investor's job is to make sure ROI beats inflation. He adds that higher returns come with proportionally higher risk, and that investors should weigh risk against return and their stage of life. A person with a family, he says, should be more careful with risk. [1]
Khan says daily research greatly improves an investor's chances, and he emphasises research, reading and learning daily to spot trends. He describes a low-risk, high-return asset as an asymmetric bet. He says the smaller the ticket size, the longer and harder it is to grow an investment. He has said he is not an adviser and is not giving financial advice. [1]
Views on property and mutual funds
Khan says property is a dead investment in the grand scheme of things. He says most property buyers choose developed apartments or rental property, and that property investors should check who the developer is and who backs it. In his view, rental income that beats inflation makes a property an asset. [1]
Khan says a mutual fund has no limit on how much one can invest, and that one can start with as little as 5,000. He says a mutual fund raises money from many people and is run by a manager. Equity mutual funds invest in the stock market, while money market and bond funds carry less risk and lower return. He says mutual funds are heavily regulated, which lowers risk, and that a fund focused only on equity carries higher risk. [1]
Views on saving, cash and gold
Khan says saving in cash does not make sense, and that holding cash is an expense since its value falls each year. He says the Austrian view is that saving should happen, and that these days the Keynesian approach is being followed. He does not fully agree that saving fails to stimulate the economy. [1]
Khan says Pakistanis hold a large share of their savings in gold, and that gold usually protects against inflation. He calls gold a simple asset for Pakistanis to buy and keep. He says that on normal days gold mostly covers inflation, and that it is a good indicator, having been used for centuries. [1]
Views on money supply and the dollar
Khan says about 10% of money in circulation is actual cash and about 90% is credit. He says credit money is not real money backed by anything, and that borrowing to fuel spending is in effect borrowing from future generations. He says the extra money being printed is going mostly to funds and banks. He says bond interest rates have turned negative in some countries. [1]
Khan says the dollar has been trusted for decades as the world reserve currency. In his view, it could lose its place if trust in the US wavers or a rival like China rises. He says every single currency is pegged to the dollar, so a downfall of the dollar would put every paper currency in trouble. He says the rupee's fall against the dollar did not mean the dollar was getting stronger. [1]
Khan says that when big investors sense a problem, they move to safe assets, and that this information does not reach ordinary people. He says that in a crisis many small investors get opportunities they could not get before. He says the pandemic was bad for many people but gave opportunities to those who followed trends. He adds that pandemic stimulus went to big businesses and not to small businesses. [1]
Views on possible futures
Khan says the good scenario is that people can hedge against everything, and he notes that Pakistanis can now open online trading accounts. He says large firms acquired promising startups, such as YouTube, Instagram and WhatsApp. He says the worst case could leave people dependent on a few companies that make the rules, and describes his worst-case scenario as a very Orwellian future. He says the worst case is not a matter of next year or two, and could take 10 to 20 years. [1]
Views on digital currency and blockchain
Khan says the digital yuan is probably the most fascinating development for him, and that it points to a move beyond the fiat currency concept. He says a central bank digital currency could be given with spending limits, such as for groceries only. He says fiat currencies were created so that governments can control them, and that governments make sure their currency is used, for example by requiring taxes to be paid in it. He does not expect governments to give up control, even with a shift to digital currency. He thinks future digital currencies will be government backed or central bank controlled. [1]
Khan says bitcoin is much like gambling for an investor, and that Bitcoin has no real utility beyond use as a currency. He thinks Bitcoin, called digital gold, may end up as a settlement layer, and says countries settle dealings in gold, which he calls the final settlement layer. He says it is very optimistic to think digital money will escape control by the people who run fiat currency. [1]
Khan says blockchain should be seen first as a technology. He says each coin represents a different sub-technology or use case of the blockchain, and that buying any coin is an investment in blockchain. In his view, investors should see coins as shares in the companies that issue them, and new coins are launched through an initial coin offering, not an IPO. He says there were technologies that ordinary people could not invest in, because they were held by private companies. [1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2021-02-05 | Inflation is the number every investment has to beat | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
What is High Output Venture?
Omer Pervez Khan describes High Output Venture as a Singapore based venture studio. It builds some companies itself and also invests in others. It has invested in a distribution business out of Myanmar and in a media studio in Vietnam.[1]
What is Omer Pervez Khan's background?
Omer Pervez Khan's core background is in accounting. He was doing his training at PwC Ferguson in Islamabad, and he describes auditing as good work that took him to big companies and senior people. He later began working with founders on a pro bono basis.[1]
How did Omer Pervez Khan get into venture capital?
Omer Pervez Khan moved into venture capital as the VC scene grew in Pakistan. He offered a venture firm to work for free for four months, and the firm hired him after three months because of his experience. He says he was around 30 or 31 at the time.[1]
What does Omer Pervez Khan think about investing in property?
Omer Pervez Khan says property is a dead investment in the grand scheme of things. He says property investors should check who the developer is and who backs it. In his view, rental income that beats inflation makes a property an asset.[1]
What does Omer Pervez Khan say about Bitcoin?
Omer Pervez Khan says bitcoin is much like gambling for an investor, and that Bitcoin has no real utility beyond use as a currency. He thinks Bitcoin, called digital gold, may end up as a settlement layer.[1]
References
- Inflation is the number every investment has to beat . Thought Behind Things , 2021-02-05.
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- Omer Pervez Khan says High Output Venture is a Singapore based venture studio.
Singapore based venture studio hum kehte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says High Output builds some companies itself and also invests in others.
there are companies that we build ourselves, but there are also companies that we invest in
- Omer Pervez Khan says High Output has invested in a distribution business out of Myanmar.
we have invested in a company which is in the distribution business, okay, that is out of Myanmar.
- Omer Pervez Khan says High Output has invested in a media studio in Vietnam.
Vietnam mein we are we have invested in a media studio as well.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the firm's Pakistan investments are now more on the venture side.
Pakistan mein hamari investments, now it's more on the venture side.
- Omer Pervez Khan's core background is in accounting.
your core background is accounting
- Omer Pervez Khan was doing his training at PwC Ferguson in Islamabad.
main apni jo bhi training kar raha tha at PWC Ferguson, Islamabad
- Omer Pervez Khan says auditing was good work, taking him to big companies and senior people.
auditing was good, you know, badi-badi companies mein jaate hain, badi-badi cheezein dekhte hain, bade-bade logon se milte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan went, or says he was dragged, to a startup pitching competition.
I went to or I was dragged to a startup sort of pitching competition.
- Omer Pervez Khan was struck by the energy and passion of the founders pitching at that competition.
But when they started pitching and when I saw the energy and the passion with which they were discussing their businesses
- Omer Pervez Khan's wife was working at an accelerator.
And then my wife, she was working at an accelerator, Invest2Innovate.
- Omer Pervez Khan began working with founders on a pro bono basis.
I started working with all these entrepreneurs, all these founders on a pro bono basis.
- Omer Pervez Khan helped founders with their accounts and financial models.
I would just go and help them with their account, with their financial models
- Omer Pervez Khan became something like a full-time fundraising consultant for founders, and also handled investor negotiations for them.
phir main unke liye investor negotiations bhi kar raha tha, toh phir main ek full-time fundraising consultant type ban gaya.
- Omer Pervez Khan estimates he worked with 50 or more entrepreneurs.
main shayad 50 plus entrepreneurs se toh maine kaam kiya hoga.
- Omer Pervez Khan moved into venture capital as the VC scene grew in Pakistan.
as the VC scene itself started growing in Pakistan, toh mera phir interest hua ke ab venture capital aa gaya hai idhar
- Omer Pervez Khan offered a venture firm to work for free for four months.
I told them I'll work for free for four months.
- The venture firm hired Omer Pervez Khan after three months because of his experience.
they hired me after three months because mera experience tha
- Omer Pervez Khan says he was well into his career when he made the switch.
So, I was like pretty, you know, into my career, thodi trajectory bani hui thi
- Omer Pervez Khan says he was around 30 or 31 at the time of the switch.
I was pretty old. I was I think 30, 31.
- Omer Pervez Khan describes accounting as a cost center.
accountant and accounting is a cost center.
- Omer Pervez Khan says venture capital and fund management make money for the people they invest for.
Venture capitalist, fund managing, investing for people is where aap logon ko paise bana ke de rahe ho.
- Omer Pervez Khan says making money for a client has no limit.
Agar aap kisi se paise bana ke de rahe ho, toh uski koi limit nahi hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says clients will not pay beyond a set cost for an accounting service.
Woh kisi ek cost se upar nahi jaana chahenge
- Omer Pervez Khan defines an asset as something that gives its owner future economic benefits.
something that from which you know future economic benefits flow to you.
- Omer Pervez Khan says investors should understand what an asset and a liability are.
Aapko pata hona chahiye ek asset kya cheez hoti hai aur ek liability kya cheez hoti hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says an investor should ask why they want to invest and where they want to get to.
Aur fourth cheez is why do you want to invest? Where do you want to get to?
- Omer Pervez Khan says a plot that merely doubles in 10 years is savings, not an investment.
Yeh plot agar double bhi hua 10 saal mein, toh investment nahi hai, yeh aapki saving hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan recommends the book Rich Dad Poor Dad to anyone who wants to understand assets and liabilities.
Rich Dad, Rich Dad, Poor Dad badi mashhoor book hai. Kaafi aapke viewers ne shayad padhi hui bhi ho. Usmein assets versus liabilities ki bahut comprehensive hai, agar koi really understand karna chahta hai toh woh book main recommend karunga.
- Omer Pervez Khan says ROI basically means return on investment.
So ROI basically return on investment hi kehte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says ROI should be judged after adjusting for inflation.
isliye aapko inflation ke inflation adjusted ROI dekhna chahiye
- Omer Pervez Khan explains inflation as the steady fall in what money can buy over time.
aapki purchasing power of aapka jo paisa hai na, woh over time kam hoti rehti hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says property is a dead investment in the grand scheme of things.
mujhe hamesha property ek dead investment lagti hai in the grand scheme of things.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the smaller the ticket size, the longer and harder it is to grow an investment.
jitna small ticket size hai, utna hi aapko time lagega, utna hi aapke liye mushkil hoga.
- Omer Pervez Khan says higher returns come with proportionally higher risk.
Aur woh jitna zyada return hoga utna phir risk bhi uske hisaab se badhta rahega.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the investor's job is to make sure ROI beats inflation.
All you have to make sure is aapka ROI jo hai, woh inflation ko beat kar raha hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says a mutual fund has no limit on how much one can invest.
Mutual fund mein aapko koi limit nahi hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says one can start investing in a mutual fund with as little as 5,000.
aap 5,000 se bhi start kar sakte hain actually.
- Omer Pervez Khan says a mutual fund raises money from many people and is run by a manager.
koi different log se aap paise raise karte hain aur aap manage karte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says equity mutual funds invest in the stock market.
Kuch mutual funds honge woh dedicated honge stock market pe, woh equity mutual funds kahenge.
- Omer Pervez Khan says money market and bond funds carry less risk and lower return.
Kuch mutual funds honge woh money market mein honge. Theek hai. Bonds waghera, yeh woh. Unmein risk kam hota hai, return bhi kam hota hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says mutual funds are heavily regulated, which lowers risk.
kyunke mutual funds kaafi regulated type hote hain, matlab toh usmein risk bhi kam hota hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says a mutual fund focused only on equity carries higher risk.
So agar aap ek mutual fund hai jo sirf equity pe focus kar raha hai, toh woh thoda higher risk hoga.
- Omer Pervez Khan says daily research greatly improves an investor's chances.
Agar koi bhi investor investment karna chahta hai, roz baith ke day in and day out woh research kar raha ho toh uske chances bahut badh jaate hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says property investors should check who the developer is and who backs it.
Woh developer kaun hai, peeche kaun party kar rahi hai, kya kar rahi hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says most property buyers choose developed apartments or rental property.
Wohi developed apartment type property lete hain, rental property lete hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says rental income that beats inflation makes a property an asset.
Phir yeh cheez phir woh aapka asset ban jata hai. Kyunki woh aapko monthly woh de raha hai which will beat inflation plus uski apni value badhegi.
- Omer Pervez Khan says investing is a building process, and quick growth should not be expected.
Yeh matlab building process hai. Expect na karein aap daalenge to ek dum zyada ho jayega right?
- Omer Pervez Khan says investors should weigh risk against return and their stage of life.
To is basically aapne risk reward equation dekhni hoti hai number one aur number two what stage of life you are at.
- Omer Pervez Khan says a person with a family should be more careful with risk.
But if you have a family, aap thode advance us pe ho then you have to be more careful with it.
- Omer Pervez Khan says saving in cash does not make sense.
Saving in cash doesn't make sense.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the Austrian view is that saving should happen.
Jo Austrian hai woh kehte hain saving honi chahiye.
- Omer Pervez Khan says that these days the Keynesian approach is being followed.
aaj kal jo hai hum Keynesian follow kar rahe hain
- Omer Pervez Khan does not fully agree that saving fails to stimulate the economy.
jahan tak aapka sawaal hai ki economy nahi stimulate hoti main isse 100% nahi agree karta.
- Omer Pervez Khan says Pakistanis hold a large share of their savings in gold.
Pakistan ki ek achi baat yeh hai ki hum kaafi saving apni gold mein bhi hold karte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says gold usually protects against inflation.
Aur gold jo hai woh inflation ko usually protected hota hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says holding cash is an expense, since its value falls each year.
year on year unki woh value actually saving nahi hai woh expense hi ho raha hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says about 10% of money in circulation is actual cash and about 90% is credit.
10% is actual cash and 90% is credit.
- Omer Pervez Khan says credit money is not real money backed by anything.
That is not sort of real money backed by anything.
- Omer Pervez Khan says borrowing to fuel spending is in effect borrowing from future generations.
you are borrowing from your future generations, from your future self.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the dollar has been trusted for decades as the world reserve currency.
So dollar very trustworthy over the last you know few decades because duniya ki trade is to it's called the world reserve currency isko kehte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the dollar could lose its place if trust in the US wavers or a rival like China rises.
agar duniya ka trust in the US thoda sa waver hona shuru ho jaye Hmm. ya agar koi aur power like China upar aana shuru ho jaye
- Omer Pervez Khan says every single currency is pegged to the dollar.
Because every single currency is pegged Right. to the dollar.
- Omer Pervez Khan says a downfall of the dollar would put every paper currency in trouble.
then every paper currency in the world has a downfall is in trouble.
- Omer Pervez Khan says gold is a good indicator, having been used for centuries.
Gold is a really good indicator. Right. Kyunki woh itne saalon se use matlab you know centuries jab se jo bhi hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the extra money being printed is going mostly to funds and banks.
Par un markers mein kyun nazar aa raha hai kyunki jo zyada paisa print ho raha hai woh funds ke paas hi ja raha hai, woh banks ke paas hi ja raha hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says bond interest rates have turned negative in some countries.
Ab unke aap interest rates dekhein jo bonds pe hain woh negative kuch countries mein negative mein chale gaye hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says that when big investors sense a problem, they move to safe assets.
jab bade bade investors ko lagta hai na ki koi problem hai to woh safe assets mein jaate hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says this information does not reach ordinary people.
aam aadmi tak yeh information nahi pahunchti.
- Omer Pervez Khan says Pakistanis can now open online trading accounts.
Pakistan mein bhi ab online trading account aap khol sakte hain
- Omer Pervez Khan says in a crisis many small investors get opportunities they could not get before.
Ah good scenario chote dekhein jab crisis aati hai na to kaafi logon ko opportunity mil jaati hai jo unko pehle nahi mil sakti.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the good scenario is that people can hedge against everything.
the good scenario yeh hai ki you have options to hedge yourself against everything.
- Omer Pervez Khan says gold is a simple asset for Pakistanis to buy and keep.
Aur gold you know Pakistanion ke liye bada simple si cheez hai le lete hain unko koi masla nahi hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says on normal days gold mostly covers inflation.
gold bas inflation cover kar rahi hoti hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan describes a low-risk, high-return asset as an asymmetric bet.
Ab kitni asymmetric bet hai? Ke aapko koi low risk high return cheez mil jaye.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the rupee's fall against the dollar did not mean the dollar was getting stronger.
Ab jab Pakistani rupee dollar ke against weak hua to iska matlab yeh nahi tha ki dollar strong ho raha tha.
- Omer Pervez Khan says he is not an adviser and is not giving financial advice.
Again main koi advisor nahi hoon investment aur main koi advice nahi de sakta.
- Omer Pervez Khan emphasises research, reading and learning daily to spot trends.
Isliye main emphasize kar raha hoon research, reading, learning yeh aap daily agar apne dalein
- Omer Pervez Khan says the pandemic was bad for many people but gave opportunities to those who followed trends.
it it you know it was really bad for a lot of people but at the same time if someone followed the trends they could have seen these opportunity
- Omer Pervez Khan says pandemic stimulus went to big businesses and not to small businesses.
Jo stimulus mil rahe the woh bade businesses ko mile hain. Right? Small businesses ko nahi mile.
- Omer Pervez Khan says large firms acquired promising startups, such as YouTube, Instagram and WhatsApp.
YouTube aaya Google ne le liya. Oculus aaya ya Instagram aaya WhatsApp aaya Facebook ne le liya.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the worst case could leave people dependent on a few companies that make the rules.
dependent more and more on select few companies, organizations and basically they will make the rules.
- Omer Pervez Khan describes his worst-case scenario as a very Orwellian future.
Very orwellian sort of future.
- Omer Pervez Khan says the worst case is not a matter of next year or two, and could take 10 to 20 years.
main keh raha hoon ki agle saal ho jayega ya do saal mein ho jayega. Like 10, 15, 20 whatever.
- Omer Pervez Khan says bitcoin is much like gambling for an investor.
as an investor it's like again wohi gamble hai
- Omer Pervez Khan says the digital yuan is probably the most fascinating development for him.
the digital yuan is probably the most fascinating thing for me
- Omer Pervez Khan says the digital yuan points to a move beyond the fiat currency concept.
they are saying yes we are going towards where the fiat currency concept isn't working.
- Omer Pervez Khan says a central bank digital currency could be given with spending limits, such as for groceries only.
can give them currency like you know here is your currency but you can only use this for grocery stores.
- Omer Pervez Khan says fiat currencies were created so that governments can control them.
fiat currencies bhi bane isliye the kyunki woh government control kar sakte hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says governments make sure their currency is used, for example by requiring taxes to be paid in it.
kis tarah woh ensure karti hai ki aap use kare woh kahegi yaar tax aapne mujhe rupee mein dena hai
- Omer Pervez Khan does not expect governments to give up control, even with a shift to digital currency.
I don't see that them giving away that control.
- Omer Pervez Khan says countries settle dealings in gold, which he calls the final settlement layer.
gold ek settlement layer hai koi koi countries ne aapas mein settle karna hota hai cheez to woh gold mein settle kar dete hain.
- Omer Pervez Khan thinks Bitcoin, called digital gold, may end up as a settlement layer.
Bitcoin jisko digital gold bhi isliye bhi keh rahe hain ki woh end mein settlement layer ban jayegi.
- Omer Pervez Khan says it is very optimistic to think digital money will escape control by the people who run fiat currency.
it is very optimistic to think ke it will be something that will be not controlled by the people who are controlling the fiat one as well.
- Omer Pervez Khan says there were technologies that ordinary people could not invest in, because they were held by private companies.
These were technologies that normal people cannot invest in. Right. Right? Kyunki woh private companies thi.
- Omer Pervez Khan says blockchain should be seen first as a technology.
Blockchain is a technology. You have to look at it as a technology first and foremost.
- Omer Pervez Khan says each coin represents a different sub-technology or use case of the blockchain.
Every coin represents a different sort of sub technology or whatever use case of the blockchain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says investors should see coins as shares in the companies that issue them.
aapne coins ko as shares in these companies dekhna hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says new coins are launched through an initial coin offering, not an IPO.
inki IPO nahi hoti inki ICO hoti hai.
- Omer Pervez Khan says buying any coin is an investment in blockchain.
Underlying technology is blockchain. Any coin that you buy you are investing in blockchain.
- Omer Pervez Khan says Bitcoin has no real utility beyond use as a currency.
koi as such utility nahi hai siwaye iske ke you can use it like a currency.
- Omer Pervez Khan thinks future digital currencies will be government backed or central bank controlled.
that will be some sort of government backed or you know central bank controlled currency.