Suhail Malik
CDO of National Bank of Pakistan
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Suhail Malik is the Chief Digital Officer at the National Bank of Pakistan, where he looks after the digital banking group. He previously worked at Wateen Telecom, as head of branchless banking at MCB, and as Chief Digital Officer at a microfinance bank now known as HBL Microfinance Bank.
Contents
- Early life and background
- Education
- Career
- National Bank of Pakistan
- Views on telecom and branchless banking
- Views on microfinance and digital banks
- Views on fraud and security
- Views on account opening
- Views on financial inclusion and credit
- Views on payments and the State Bank
- Timeline
- Appearances
- Frequently asked questions
- References
Early life and background
Malik comes from a small town that was part of Mianwali district and later Bhakkar district. His father was a banker. While Malik was in fifth grade, his father got him a first credit card with a limit of Rs 5,000. [1]
Education
Malik received his initial education in his hometown. In 1998 he moved to Islamabad, where he completed an MBA. [1]
Career
While studying for his MBA, Malik started work in credit card sales at Citibank. He worked there for less than a year before joining a data subsidiary of PTCL that managed its data services. At that subsidiary his last designation was country manager for sales, marketing and product development. [1]
He moved to Lahore and joined Wateen Telecom in 2008, where he oversaw the prepaid services. He then joined another company as Chief Commercial Officer. [1]
In 2012 Malik joined MCB, where he was head of branchless banking. He then joined FINCA as head of digital banking. In 2017 he joined a microfinance bank, now HBL Microfinance Bank, as Chief Digital Officer. [1]
National Bank of Pakistan
Malik worked at the microfinance bank until May 2022, then joined National Bank. At National Bank he currently looks after the digital banking group. He describes the bank as a state entity and says it has about 1,500 branches across Pakistan. [1]
Malik says National Bank has done a lot of digital work over the last two or three years. He says its mobile app, internet banking, debit cards and ATMs are aligned with the market. He says customers can open a National Bank account in the mobile app or internet banking. According to Malik, the mobile app has more than 1.6 million users, and more than a million customers actively use it at any time. He says the app lets customers pay utility, phone, school fee and credit card bills. [1]
Views on telecom and branchless banking
Malik says banks wanted people with telco experience because mobile banking involved a major technology shift. He says a WiMAX device cost about Rs 18,000 to 20,000 in 2008-09. He recalls that in 2008-09 telcos already had a retail network of more than 400,000 to 450,000 outlets selling scratch cards and mobile load. [1]
He says microfinance banks began operating from 2000 under a special law, with branchless banking following in 2008-09, and that the government decided in 2000 to serve the lower segments of the market. He says EasyPaisa was the first company to receive a branchless banking licence, in 2009. Malik says MCB was the first wallet in the industry that could be opened over the air, and that MCB Lite was launched commercially in 2013. [1]
Malik says that before 2013-14, about 90% of transactions were over-the-counter at agents, with wallets at about 10%. He says MCB Lite was telco-agnostic, so a customer could open a wallet with any SIM. He says the entry level of branchless wallets had a monthly limit of Rs 25,000 and the highest level had a limit of Rs 200,000. The electronic money institution (EMI) licence, he says, was created to raise wallet limits, and EMI wallets have a limit of Rs 400,000 for customers with high transaction volumes. [1]
Views on microfinance and digital banks
Malik says microfinance banks invest heavily in digital products because they serve masses of customers. He says microfinance banks must serve a specific market segment and cannot lend beyond it, and that anyone can open a deposit account at one. He describes a digital bank as a full-fledged bank that operates without a branch network. Digital banks, unlike microfinance banks, face no cap on how much they can lend, he says. [1]
Malik says banking is built on two transactions, debit and credit, and all products rest on them. He says digital banking is all about changing the way a business is done. He says banks that do not fully digitise over the next five to ten years will gradually become obsolete. He also says banking has changed from manual ledgers to core banking, ATMs, debit cards and mobile apps. [1]
Views on fraud and security
Malik says he has rarely heard of a bank's system being hacked and its money drained. He says that in almost every scam there is an element of greed. He says number spoofing is an old technology used around the world, and that some large frauds come from a customer's own friends or family. [1]
He says banks have worked actively on security checks since State Bank circular 4. He says a consumer has two hours to call the bank back and say a registration was not made by them. He says WhatsApp's messaging price has become very expensive. He adds that ID card details could theoretically be verified automatically, and that many apps collect data on phone numbers or ID cards that can reveal a lot about individuals. [1]
Views on account opening
Malik says account applications cannot move forward until the customer provides the documents requested. He says larger accounts need source-of-funds documents, which lengthens the process, and that it is very important that a customer's source of income looks legitimate to the bank. He says State Bank's digital onboarding sets a 72-hour timeline once all documents are complete. He says biometric account opening in branches pulls customer data automatically from NADRA. [1]
Malik says Pakistani banks refuse applicants unless they first prove they qualify, instead of looking for good customers. He says account opening is designed to be intimidating and to put applicants on trial. [1]
Views on financial inclusion and credit
Malik says the financially excluded need banking services, not any particular brand. He says a person is financially included once their basic banking needs are met. He says a lot of real work has been done on financial inclusion in Pakistan, and work continues. He says the number of wallets has reached more than 150 million and bank accounts more than 100 million. [1]
He says a wallet customer can upgrade from the same app to a conventional account to raise limits. He says many women's SIM cards are registered in the names of male relatives. He also says a common perception that senior citizens and women do not need mobile or internet banking is wrong. [1]
Malik says a key obstacle in Pakistan is that people do not care about their credit record, and that there should be a mechanism that shows people the consequences of a poor credit record. He says the biggest barrier for financial institutions is that nobody cares about the credit record. He explains that one defaulted Rs 10,000 loan can wipe out the profit from many small loans. He suggests that a customer's bill payment history is a useful data point for credit scoring. [1]
Views on payments and the State Bank
Malik says the State Bank has been very cooperative and supports new products and innovation. He says it has shown flexibility on BISP, the Benazir Income Support Programme. He says Raast is free for customers and is a State Bank initiative, and that its P2M QR payments have a strong impact on merchants. [1]
He says a unified QR code can be read by any bank's mobile app, and that a dynamic QR code can carry the payment amount. He says the QR section of a mobile app shows the user's own QR code and offers a scan option. [1]
Malik says 80 percent of transactions are now done digitally and 20 percent physically. He says customers tended to keep deposits at banks where money was easy to move. He says people prefer not to use cash because of security concerns and the difficulty of handling it. He says the next five to fifty years of banking work will be digital. [1]
Timeline
- 1998
- Moved to Islamabad and completed an MBA.[1]
- 2008
- Joined Wateen Telecom.[1]
- 2012
- Joined MCB.[1]
- 2013
- MCB Lite launched commercially.[1]
- 2017
- Joined a microfinance bank, now HBL Microfinance Bank, as Chief Digital Officer.[1]
- 2022
- Joined National Bank after leaving the microfinance bank in May.[1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2024-06-14 | Banking's digital reckoning in Pakistan | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Who is Suhail Malik?
Suhail Malik is the Chief Digital Officer at the National Bank of Pakistan. He looks after the digital banking group of the bank. He previously served as head of branchless banking at MCB.[1]
What does Suhail Malik do?
Suhail Malik is Chief Digital Officer at the National Bank of Pakistan. At the bank he currently looks after the digital banking group. He joined National Bank in May 2022.[1]
Where did Suhail Malik study?
Suhail Malik received his initial education in his hometown. In 1998 he moved to Islamabad, where he completed an MBA.[1]
Where is Suhail Malik from?
Suhail Malik comes from a small town that was part of Mianwali district and later Bhakkar district. He moved to Islamabad in 1998.[1]
Where has Suhail Malik worked?
Suhail Malik started in credit card sales at Citibank while studying for his MBA. He later worked at Wateen Telecom, MCB, FINCA and a microfinance bank now known as HBL Microfinance Bank. He joined National Bank in May 2022.[1]
What did Suhail Malik do at MCB?
Suhail Malik joined MCB in 2012 and was head of branchless banking there. He says MCB was the first wallet in the industry that could be opened over the air. He says MCB Lite was launched commercially in 2013.[1]
What does Suhail Malik think about digital banking?
Suhail Malik says digital banking is all about changing the way a business is done. He says banks that do not fully digitise over the next five to ten years will gradually become obsolete.[1]
References
- Banking's digital reckoning in Pakistan . Thought Behind Things , 2024-06-14.
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- He is the Chief Digital Officer at the National Bank of Pakistan.
Sohail Malik is the Chief Digital Officer at the National Bank of Pakistan.
- He comes from a small town that was part of Mianwali district and later Bhakkar district.
I basically belong to a very small town called Nawa Jhandawala. It was part of district Mianwali, later that came as district Bhakkar.
- He received his initial education in his hometown.
maine apni initial jo education hai wahin se li.
- In 1998 he moved to Islamabad, where he completed an MBA.
1998 mein main Islamabad aaya, yahan se maine PIMSAT se MBA kiya.
- While studying for his MBA, he started work in credit card sales at Citibank.
MBA jab main kar raha tha to I started working with Citibank in credit card sales.
- He worked at Citibank for less than a year before joining a data subsidiary of PTCL that managed its data services.
I worked there koi less than one year and then I joined Paknet. It was a data wing for, ek subsidiary thi PTCL ki jo ke unki data services ko manage karti thi.
- At that subsidiary his last designation was country manager for sales, marketing and product development.
Wahan se my last designation was country manager, sales and marketing and product development.
- He moved to Lahore and joined Wateen Telecom in 2008.
Uske baad I moved to Lahore. 2008 mein maine Wateen Telecom join kiya.
- At Wateen he oversaw the prepaid services.
Main jo unki prepaid services hain, W-Card ek hota tha bada famous, Converge voucher card hota tha, woh main dekhta tha.
- He then joined another company as Chief Commercial Officer.
Phir wahan se I joined DVCoom. Main Chief Commercial Officer tha DVCoom ka.
- In 2012 he joined MCB.
Aur phir wahan se again 2012 I joined MCB.
- At MCB he was head of branchless banking.
Main MCB ka branchless head tha aur wahan se phir I joined Finca as head digital banking.
- He then joined FINCA as head of digital banking.
wahan se phir I joined Finca as head digital banking.
- In 2017 he joined a microfinance bank, now HBL Microfinance Bank, as Chief Digital Officer.
And 2017 mein I joined First Microfinance Bank us waqt hota tha, aaj kal HBL Microfinance Bank hai, as Chief Digital Officer.
- He worked at that microfinance bank until May 2022, then joined National Bank.
I worked there till May 2022 and May 2022 mein I joined National Bank.
- At National Bank he currently looks after the digital banking group.
Aaj kal I am looking after the digital banking group of the bank
- He says banks wanted people with telco experience because mobile banking involved a major technology shift.
banks were looking for people jinke paas telcos ka experience ho because when you talk about the mobile banking to zahiri baat hai uske andar ek poori technology shift involved hai.
- He says microfinance banks invest heavily in digital products because they serve masses of customers.
Because zahiri baat hai aapka jahan masses customers hon jahan aapke millions of customers hon wahan pe aapko jo apni product offering hai jo aapko innovation hai woh bahut zyada rakhni padti hai.
- He says National Bank's mobile app, internet banking, debit cards and ATMs are aligned with the market.
chahe hamari aap mobile app ki baat karein, internet banking ki baat karein, debit cards ki baat karein aur ATMs ki baat karein to mashallah se we are aligned with the market.
- He says National Bank has done a lot of digital work over the last two or three years.
pichle do teen saal se National Bank ke andar bahut kaam hua hai digital mein
- He describes National Bank as a state entity.
obviously we are a state entity.
- He says National Bank has about 1,500 branches across Pakistan.
National Bank ki is waqt koi 1500 ke kareeb branches hain poore Pakistan mein.
- He says a WiMAX device cost about Rs 18,000 to 20,000 in 2008-09.
Ab zahiri baat hai woh jo WiMAX devices hain woh bhi itself mehngi hain. Like main agar 2008-9 ki baat karun to 18-20 hazaar rupaye ki ek device hoti thi.
- He recalls that in 2008-09 telcos already had a retail network of more than 400,000 to 450,000 outlets selling scratch cards and mobile load.
If I am not wrong to 2008-2009 ke andar koi 4, 4.5 lakh se zyada ka retail network already telcos ke paas tha jahan pe yeh apne scratch card, apne mobile load yeh becha karte the.
- He says EasyPaisa was the first company to receive a branchless banking licence, in 2009.
jis agar hum 2009 ki baat karein to EasyPaisa was the first company, Tameer Bank tab hota tha, jinko branchless ka license mila.
- He says microfinance banks began operating from 2000 under a special law, with branchless banking following in 2008-09.
Microfinance they started working from 2000 onwards. Ek special law ke tehat Microfinance banks bane aur uske baad 2008-9 mein branchless banking aaya.
- He says the government decided in 2000 to serve the lower segments of the market.
In 2000, year 2000 government ne decide kiya ke yaar jo lower side of the segments hain
- He says MCB was the first wallet in the industry that could be opened over the air.
MCB was the first wallet in the industry jo over the air khulne wala wallet tha.
- He says MCB Lite was launched commercially in 2013.
Like 2013 mein we launched commercially MCB Lite.
- He says that before 2013-14, about 90% of transactions were over-the-counter at agents, with wallets at about 10%.
Jabke agar aap 2013, 14 se peechay jayein to aapko nazar aata tha ke yaar OTC transactions 90% hain, sirf 10% transaction hain jo log wallet se kartay hain.
- He says MCB Lite was telco-agnostic, so a customer could open a wallet with any SIM.
aapke paas koi bhi telco, Telenor, Mobilink, Jazz, Zong, Ufone, aapke paas koi bhi sim hai aap MCB Lite ka wallet khol sakte hain.
- He says the entry level of branchless wallets had a monthly limit of Rs 25,000.
Ke wahan pe initially jo level zero tha uske upar 25,000 rupay mahinay ki limit thi
- He says the highest branchless wallet level had a monthly limit of Rs 200,000.
to wahan pe maximum aapko 2 lakh rupay per month ki limit milti thi.
- He says the electronic money institution (EMI) licence was created to raise wallet limits.
Phir electronic money institution aayi, EMI jisko kehtay hain. Woh ek nayi license type bani jismein us wallet ki limit badi ki gayi.
- He says EMI wallets have a limit of Rs 400,000 for customers with high transaction volumes.
Ismein kaha gaya ke woh log jinko wallet chahiye, unki transaction zyada hain, to wahan 4 lakh rupay ki limit lag gayi.
- He describes a digital bank as a full-fledged bank that operates without a branch network.
digital bank jo hai woh ek full-fledged bank ke tor pe aa raha hai without the branches network.
- He says digital banks, unlike microfinance banks, face no cap on how much they can lend.
Microfinance ki tarah unke upar limit nahi hai ke yaar itnay loan se zyada aap loan nahi de sakte.
- He says microfinance banks must serve a specific market segment and cannot lend beyond it.
Jo microfinance hain unke upar kuch caveats hain ke yaar is segment of the market ko hi aapne serve karna hai, is se aagay aapne serve nahi karna in terms of lending.
- He says anyone can open a deposit account at a microfinance bank.
Deposit anybody can open a deposit account with them.
- He says banking is built on two transactions, debit and credit, and all products rest on them.
banking is all about two transactions. Ek debit hai, ek credit hai.
- He says digital banking is all about changing the way a business is done.
To digital banking is all about changing the way of doing business.
- He says banks that do not fully digitise over the next five to ten years will gradually become obsolete.
Aur main samajhta hoon ke agle paanch das saal mein jitne banks apne aap ko transform, apne aap ko digitalize nahi karenge completely, woh aahista aahista obsolete hote jayenge.
- He says he has rarely heard of a bank's system being hacked and its money drained.
Aapne aaj tak kabhi bhi yeh nahi suna hoga ke yaar kisi bank ka system hack ho gaya ke bank ka paisa nikal gaya.
- He says that in almost every scam there is an element of greed.
aap jitnay bhi scam dekhenge wahan koi na koi greed ka element zaroor hai.
- He says number spoofing is an old technology used around the world.
Ab spoofing jo aapko pata hai badi purani technology hai, puri duniya mein hai.
- He says banks have worked actively on security checks since State Bank circular 4.
ab jab se yeh circular 4 aaya hai from the State Bank, saray bankon ne iske upar bohat actively kaam kiya hai
- He says a consumer has two hours to call the bank back and say a registration was not made by them.
Ab a consumer has 2 hours ke woh callback kar le apne bank ko ke yaar yeh maine to register nahi ki hai.
- He says some large frauds come from a customer's own friends or family.
logon ke jo friends and family hain unke andar se baday fraud hotay hain.
- He says WhatsApp's messaging price has become very expensive.
WhatsApp ne apni jo pricing hai woh bohat insanely mehangi kar di hai.
- He says ID card details could theoretically be verified automatically.
Agar aapka jo hai woh ID card information hai, woh saara kuch hai toh woh theoretically woh automate kar sakta hai.
- He says account applications cannot move forward until the customer provides the documents requested.
Ab woh customer jab tak salary slip ya woh jo land ke document ya jo bhi maanga gaya hai, woh jab tak nahi dega, woh process aage chal hi nahi sakta.
- He says larger accounts need source-of-funds documents, which lengthens the process.
toh zaahiri baat hai uske saath aapki kuch documentation involved hai ke yaar yeh paise kahan se aaye hain, aapka source of income kya hai
- He says State Bank's digital onboarding sets a 72-hour timeline once all documents are complete.
State Bank aapki digital onboarding mein kehta hai ke jab aapki saari documentation complete hogi toh bank ne 72 hours mein account kholna hai.
- He says customers can open a National Bank account in the mobile app or internet banking.
Aap hamari mobile app pe account khol sakte hain, hamari internet banking hamara jo web page hai wahan jayein, aap apni information dalein, jo required documentation hai woh dein aur aap digital account khol sakte.
- He says it is very important that a customer's source of income looks legitimate to the bank.
iske liye bahut important hai ke aapka source of income jo hai, woh legitimate nazar aana chahiye bank ko
- He says the financially excluded need banking services, not any particular brand.
Uski basic need hai banking services, not the brand.
- He says a person is financially included once their basic banking needs are met.
Banking services as far as aapki poori ho rahi hain, woh banda financially included hai.
- He says a lot of real work has been done on financial inclusion in Pakistan, and work continues.
Financial inclusion ke upar Pakistan mein main samajhta hoon ke waahva kaam hua hai aur abhi bhi kaam ho raha.
- He says a wallet customer can upgrade from the same app to a conventional account to raise limits.
wahi bank usko usi mobile app se upar wallet se conventional account pe upgrade ki facility deta hai.
- He says the number of wallets has reached more than 150 million and bank accounts more than 100 million.
aaj hum 150 million plus wallets pe chale gaye hain, 100 million plus hum chale gaye hain hamare bank accounts pe.
- He says National Bank's mobile app has more than 1.6 million users.
Ab is waqt hamara masha'Allah 1.6 million plus mobile app ka uh jo hai, wo user hai.
- He says more than a million customers actively use National Bank's mobile app at any time.
Aur hamara at any given point of time million plus hamara active customers hai jo hamari mobile app ko actively use karta hai.
- He says National Bank's mobile app lets customers pay utility, phone, school fee and credit card bills.
Aap koi bhi bill le lein, bijli ka, gas ka, paani ka, phone ka, top-up, aapke bacchon ki fees hain, aapka credit card bill hai, wo sab kuch mobile app pe available hai.
- He says 80 percent of transactions are now done digitally and 20 percent physically.
to 80% transactions digitally ho rahi hain, 20% transactions physically ho rahi hain.
- He says a common perception that senior citizens and women do not need mobile or internet banking is wrong.
ek general perception hai among the customers ke ji agar koi senior citizens hain ya koi women hain to unki need nahi hai ye mobile app aur internet banking, wo wahin behtar hai, cheque book pe rahein, jabki aisa nahi hai.
- He says the State Bank has been very cooperative and supports new products and innovation.
Aap koi bhi naya idea, koi bhi nayi product, koi bhi nayi innovation karna chahte hain, they support you.
- He says the State Bank has shown flexibility on BISP, the Benazir Income Support Programme.
Abhi recently jo BISP hai, Benazir Income Support Programme, uske upar bahut zyada flexibility dikhayi hai State Bank ne
- He says Raast is free for customers and is a State Bank initiative.
Raast ek State Bank ka bahut accha initiative hai jahan pe it's free for customer.
- He says Raast's P2M QR payments have a strong impact on merchants.
Abhi uske upar jo P2M wala leg iska aaya hai jahan pe QR ke through payments ho rahi hain, wo bahut uh impactful hai.
- He says customers tended to keep deposits at banks where money was easy to move.
Ek bada simple trend hai among the customers ke wo apna deposit us bank mein rakhna chahte hain jahan pe money move karna easy ho.
- He says a unified QR code can be read by any bank's mobile app.
Unified QR hai. Har mobile app usko read karegi.
- He says a dynamic QR code can carry the payment amount.
Ab to dynamic QR aa gaya hai ke aap jab kisi ko QR bhejenge to uske andar amount bhi aa rahi hogi
- He says the QR section of a mobile app shows the user's own QR code and offers a scan option.
aap apni mobile app mein jayenge to aapka jo QR section hai wahan pe wo aapko aapka QR bhi dikhayega aur scan ka option bhi dega
- He says people prefer not to use cash because of security concerns and the difficulty of handling it.
cash usage log prefer nahi karte because of the security situation, because of so many other issues
- He says the next five to fifty years of banking work will be digital.
agle paanch se 50 saal tak jitna kaam banking mein hona hai woh digital banking mein hi hona hai.
- He says a key obstacle in Pakistan is that people do not care about their credit record.
Actually Pakistan ke andar ek jo asal road block aap keh lein ya ek behavior shift hai, woh yeh hai ke log ECIB ki parwah nahi karte.
- He says there should be a mechanism that shows people the consequences of a poor credit record.
main samajhta hoon ke iske upar ek mechanism hona chahiye jo logon ko ECIB kharab hone ke consequences dikhaye.
- He suggests that a customer's bill payment history is a useful data point for credit scoring.
aur main pichle chaar saal se uski bill payment kar raha hoon, wo bahut khoobsurat data point hai
- He says many apps collect data on phone numbers or ID cards that can reveal a lot about individuals.
Hazaar apps hain jo ke actively ye data collect kar rahi hain on either the phone number or an ID card
- His father got him a first credit card with a Rs 5,000 limit while he was in fifth grade.
main paanchvi jamaat mein tha to mere waalid sahab ne mera pehla credit card banwaya tha paanch hazaar rupay ki limit ka
- He says his father was a banker.
he was a banker so he was like, you know, you should understand how credit cards work
- He says Pakistani banks refuse applicants unless they first prove they qualify, instead of looking for good customers.
Pakistan mein banking particularly wo is pe karti hai ke yaar humne tumhein nahi serve karna unless tum prove karo ke tum serve hone wale ho
- He says account opening is designed to be intimidating and to put applicants on trial.
aisa poora process designed hai ke it's very intimidating and it's designed to throw you off and put you on a trial
- He says the biggest barrier for financial institutions is that nobody cares about the credit record.
To ye sabse bada barrier hai for financial institutions ke yaar chunke ECIB ki kisi ko care hi nahi hai
- He explains that one defaulted Rs 10,000 loan can wipe out the profit from many small loans.
aur versus aapka poora das hazaar rupay hi chala gaya, to wo 50 rupay kitne customer se aapne banane the?
- He says many women's SIM cards are registered in the names of male relatives.
Pakistan ke andar ye bahut bada trend hai ke female ki SIM unke bhai, unke husband, unke father ke naam pe hoti hain.
- He says biometric account opening in branches pulls customer data automatically from NADRA.
Aap biometric karte hain, aapka data NADRA se automatically aa jata hai.
- He says banking has changed from manual ledgers to core banking, ATMs, debit cards and mobile apps.
Yahi cheez innovate hui, core banking systems lag gaye, wahan pe access mil gaye har branch ke andar, to wahan entry hona shuru ho gayi, wahan se paisay, phir ATM machines aa gayi, phir debit cards aa gaye, phir mobile apps aa gayi.