Adnan Ali

former banker who joined PayFast

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Adnan Ali is a former banker from Karachi who joined PayFast, a State Bank approved PSP that he describes as Pakistan's first payment gateway. Ali worked in banking for about 15 to 16 years and became Chief Digital Officer at a bank. He left banking at around age 37 or 38 and joined PayFast.

Early life and background

Adnan Ali was born and raised in Karachi. He grew up in a family with many bankers and wanted to become a banker himself. His uncle worked as a banker. [1]

Education

Ali attended a school that was near his home. To move toward banking, he felt a commerce route was better and completed a B.Com first. He also completed an MBA and earned an Oracle certification. [1]

Banking career

Ali entered banking at a bank. He then joined another bank and became head of a department there. Ali established a department from scratch and then went on a digital transformation journey that included launching internet banking and a mobile app. [1]

Ali worked in banking for about 15 to 16 years. He said he became an EVP at age 35, possibly the youngest in Pakistan at that time. He also became Chief Digital Officer and headed seven or eight departments with more than 100 staff. [1]

Leaving banking

Ali left banking at around age 37 or 38. He has said he felt the scale he wanted could not be reached inside a bank, that it was time to move on, and that he wanted to do something bigger for the economy and the country. He then joined PayFast. [1]

PayFast

Ali says that over the next four years PayFast collaborated with the State Bank on its licensing. He says PayFast is now a regulated entity and has started operating outside Pakistan. PayFast started marketing on Facebook, and Ali says its growth has been month-to-month, like a hockey stick. [1]

Ali says PayFast has a holistic solution covering accounts, credit cards and debit cards for its merchants. PayFast earns its revenue by charging merchants a service fee deducted from payments. Ali says the charge is called MDR, the merchant discount rate, and put PayFast's rate to merchants at approximately 1.5 to 2 percent. He says merchant approval takes about two days and sign-up is fully digital. Ali also says PayFast publishes more APIs than any other institution in Pakistan, and its engineering team provides a shopping cart to merchants who need one. [1]

PayFast developed an invoicing portal for freelancers. Ali says freelancers often end up paying 10 to 15 percent in fees on payments and that the portal could bring their costs down to 2 to 3 percent. Ali says PayFast merchants also take international transactions, with funds settling in Pakistan. PayFast enabled the mobile app users of a bank to create a virtual card from their account, and it has partnered with a company that Ali says aggregates at large scale. [1]

Ali says PayFast could offer merchants invoice financing based on its data, and could get an NBFI licence to offer merchants this kind of facility. He says a PSP must keep 200 million of capital at all times. [1]

Affiliations

Ali is a board member of a FinTech association. He refers to his chairman as someone who has worked in the technology business for 20 to 25 years. Ali says a group company was once Pakistan's largest IT company and that a group company is Pakistan's largest ICT company. [1]

Views

Ali says roughly 90 percent of transactions in Pakistan are still made in cash. He describes Raast as an instant payment system and a cheaper network, and says PayFast is not competing with Raast but plans to build on top of it. He says a single QR code will come within Raast, and that EasyPaisa's QR works only within its own ecosystem, while a single QR would be interoperable. In his figures, Pakistan has about 75,000 POS terminals and about 60 million smartphone users. Ali also says a BNPL provider needs a licence to scale to the masses. [1]

Ali says Pakistan's youth make up 63 percent of the population and that Pakistan has two paths it can take. He says the last 20 to 25 years were not good for Pakistan, that Pakistan did not adopt the industrial age and fell behind, and that it goes to the IMF every year. [1]

Ali says about 900,000 freelancers bring about 500 million dollars into Pakistan and that Pakistan's software exports are around 2 billion dollars. He says IT exports and freelancing could cover Pakistan's trade deficit of 20 to 25 billion dollars. He also says Pakistan has the second largest population of children who do not attend school and that about 10 crore children have not been trained. [1]

Personal life

Ali describes himself as a hustler by nature. He says he tires of monotonous work. [1]

Appearances

DateTitleWhere
2022-03-02 Pakistan's first payment gateway wants to kill COD Thought Behind Things

Frequently asked questions

Who is Adnan Ali?

Adnan Ali is a former banker from Karachi who joined PayFast. He worked in banking for about 15 to 16 years before leaving at around age 37 or 38.[1]

What does Adnan Ali do?

Adnan Ali joined PayFast, a State Bank approved PSP that he describes as Pakistan's first payment gateway. He is also a board member of a FinTech association.[1]

Where did Adnan Ali study?

Adnan Ali completed a B.Com and an MBA, and he earned an Oracle certification. He attended a school that was near his home.[1]

Where is Adnan Ali from?

Adnan Ali was born and raised in Karachi. He grew up in a family with many bankers.[1]

What was Adnan Ali's career in banking?

Adnan Ali entered banking, joined another bank and became head of a department there. He established a department from scratch and went on a digital transformation journey that included launching internet banking and a mobile app. He said he became an EVP at age 35, possibly the youngest in Pakistan at that time.[1]

Why did Adnan Ali leave banking?

Adnan Ali has said he felt the scale he wanted could not be reached inside a bank. He also said it was time to move on and that he wanted to do something bigger for the economy and the country.[1]

References

  1. Pakistan's first payment gateway wants to kill COD . Thought Behind Things , 2022-03-02.
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  1. Adnan Ali was born and raised in Karachi. Yes, I was born in Karachi, I was raised in Karachi. I love Karachi.
  2. Adnan Ali attended a school that was near his home. mera school tha Progressive School, ghar se qareeb tha.
  3. Adnan Ali grew up in a family with many bankers and wanted to become a banker himself. within family there were too many bankers, toh ek inclination tha ke ji mujhe bhi banker hi banna hai.
  4. Adnan Ali's uncle worked as a banker. Mere taya BCCI banker the, mere cousins the, local international.
  5. Adnan Ali completed a B.Com before moving into banking. banking ki taraf jaane ke liye I felt ke bhi commerce ka route behtar hai toh B.Com kiya pehle.
  6. Adnan Ali completed an MBA. So, basically, it all started, I did my MBA.
  7. Adnan Ali earned an Oracle certification. uska ek jo hai Oracle ki certification kar li.
  8. Adnan Ali entered banking at a bank. I banking mein aa gaya main from Habib Bank AG Zurich
  9. Adnan Ali then joined another bank and became head of a department there. I came in Arif Habib Bank as wahan pe phir I was the head of the department.
  10. Adnan Ali established a department from scratch and then went on a digital transformation journey that included launching internet banking and a mobile app. from scratch department establish kiya aur phir digital transformation ki journey pe gaye, internet banking, mobile app launch kiya
  11. Adnan Ali worked in banking for about 15 to 16 years. agle 15-16 saal mein main throughout banker hi raha
  12. Adnan Ali left banking at around age 37 or 38. I left banking at the age of, you can say 37, 38
  13. Adnan Ali said he became an EVP at age 35, possibly the youngest in Pakistan at that time. I was the EVP at the age of 35, jo shayad us waqt Pakistan ka youngest ever EVP tha.
  14. Adnan Ali became Chief Digital Officer and headed seven or eight departments with more than 100 staff. Chief Digital Officer main bana aur 7-8 departments within the bank, I was heading 100 plus team.
  15. Adnan Ali felt the scale he wanted could not be reached inside a bank. jis scale pe phir main karna chaah raha tha, woh mujhe laga ke nahi ho sakegi.
  16. Adnan Ali felt it was time to move on from banking. So, I felt ke ji ab is time to move on
  17. Adnan Ali wanted to do something bigger for the economy and the country. Toh I felt ke ab kuch bada karna chahiye for the economy, for the country.
  18. Adnan Ali describes himself as a hustler by nature. By nature, I am a hustler.
  19. Adnan Ali said he tires of monotonous work. Kuch monotonous karoon toh thak jaata hoon.
  20. Adnan Ali joined PayFast. Toh kuch kick, kuch push chahiye tha. Toh phir main PayFast aa gaya
  21. Adnan Ali says that over the next four years PayFast collaborated with the State Bank on its licensing. next 4 years mein humne State Bank ke saath collaborate kiya, humne license ki apni activity
  22. Adnan Ali says PayFast is now a regulated entity. hum ek ab aaj ek regulated entity ban gaye hain jo ke Pakistan mein
  23. Adnan Ali says PayFast has started operating outside Pakistan. jo ke Pakistan mein aur mashallah se Pakistan se bahar bhi kaam start kar chuka hai.
  24. Adnan Ali said PayFast launched its product commercially about two months before the episode. Hamein koi aap keh lein 2 mahine ho gaye hain, jismein humne commercially jo hai apni product ko launch kar diya hai
  25. PayFast started marketing on Facebook. Humne Facebook pe marketing start kar di hai
  26. Adnan Ali says PayFast's growth has been month-to-month, like a hockey stick. month-to-month basis pe hockey stick growth mashallah se aana shuru ho gayi hai
  27. PayFast is a State Bank approved PSP, which Adnan Ali describes as Pakistan's first payment gateway. State Bank approved PSP hai aur hum payment gateway category mein Pakistan ke pehle payment gateway hain.
  28. Adnan Ali says PayFast has a holistic solution covering accounts, credit cards and debit cards for its merchants. Hamare paas ek poora holistic solution hai jiski basis pe hum accounts ko, credit cards ko, debit cards ko apne merchants ke liye
  29. PayFast earns its revenue by charging merchants a service fee deducted from payments. ek service hai aur us service ke charges hum merchant se deduct karte hain
  30. Adnan Ali says PayFast's charge to merchants is called MDR, the merchant discount rate. Dekhein isko hum kehte hain MDR, merchant discount rate.
  31. Adnan Ali said PayFast's rate to merchants is approximately 1.5 to 2 percent. approximately 2%, 1.5 se 2% jo hai hum merchant ko enable kar dete hain
  32. Adnan Ali says Pakistani businesses compete on price rather than on quality or service. hum quality aur service pe fight nahi karte
  33. Adnan Ali says PayFast merchant approval takes about two days. Two days mein approval hoga aur approval ke baad phir Within two days everything will be done.
  34. Adnan Ali says PayFast merchant sign-up is fully digital. Otherwise pura digital sign up hai.
  35. Adnan Ali says PayFast publishes more APIs than any other institution in Pakistan. Jitni API's PayFast ki publish hain, Pakistan mein kisi institute ki itni API's hi publish nahi hain
  36. PayFast's engineering team provides a shopping cart to merchants who need one. hamari engineering ki team aapko contact karegi, aapko woh shopping cart degi
  37. PayFast developed an invoicing portal for freelancers. Toh humne ek solution develop kiya unke liye invoicing portal ka.
  38. Adnan Ali says freelancers often end up paying 10 to 15 percent in fees on payments. they are actually ending up paying 15, 10 to 15% fees on top of everything
  39. Adnan Ali says the invoicing portal could bring freelancers' costs down to 2 to 3 percent. woh usko 2 se 3% mein resolve ho jayega
  40. Adnan Ali is a board member of a FinTech association. Pakistan Fintech Association hai jiska main board member hoon
  41. Adnan Ali says he has been connected with the regulator for almost 20 years. aaj matlab main toh 20 saal se almost regulator ke saath hi connected hoon
  42. Adnan Ali says he is amazed by how proactive and futuristic the regulator is. I'm really amazed ki woh bahut proactive hain aur futuristic hain
  43. Adnan Ali says the regulator provides oxygen for fintechs. hamare liye regulator oxygen provide karta hai
  44. PayFast enabled the mobile app users of a bank to create a virtual card from their account. humne Faisal Bank ke mobile app user ko enable kiya ki woh apne account se ek virtual card banayein
  45. Adnan Ali says PayFast merchants also take international transactions, with funds settling in Pakistan. Aaj hamare merchant jo hain woh international transactions bhi karte hain aur woh paise Pakistan mein aate hain.
  46. Adnan Ali says roughly 90 percent of transactions in Pakistan are still made in cash. Aaj bhi aapki 90% approximately transaction via cash hoti hain.
  47. Adnan Ali describes Raast as an instant payment system. they took a very brave step aur woh Raast jo ke ek instant payment system hai
  48. Adnan Ali says PayFast is not competing with Raast. We are absolutely not competing with Raast
  49. Adnan Ali says PayFast plans to build on top of Raast rather than compete with it. hamara focus yeh hoga ke front-end pe Raast ke top pe hum Raast ko actually apne liye leverage karenge na ke compete karenge
  50. Adnan Ali says Raast is a cheaper network. Raast is a cheaper network.
  51. Adnan Ali says Pakistan has about 75,000 POS terminals. Hamare paas Pakistan mein sirf 75,000 POS terminals hain
  52. Adnan Ali says Pakistan has about 60 million smartphone users. Aaj aapke paas 60 million ke smartphone user hain.
  53. Adnan Ali says a single QR code will come within Raast. uska purpose hi yahi hai ke ab Raast ke andar 1 QR aayega
  54. Adnan Ali says EasyPaisa's QR works only within its own ecosystem, while a single QR would be interoperable. Yeh EasyPaisa ka QR jo tha woh unke apne ecosystem mein EasyPaisa ka app, EasyPaisa ka merchant. Theek hai. Lekin jab hum 1 QR ki baat karenge, interoperability hogi.
  55. Adnan Ali says banks judge new projects by when they will break even. bank ki mentality yeh hai ke uska break-even kab aayega aur usmein profitability kab aayegi
  56. PayFast has partnered with a company that Adnan Ali says aggregates at large scale. Jaise aaj humne Cheeku ke saath partnership ki jo ki bade large scale pe aggregation kar raha hai
  57. Adnan Ali says PayFast could offer merchants invoice financing based on its data. aur on that basis aap chahein toh merchant ko invoice financing bhi de sakte hain
  58. Adnan Ali says PayFast could get an NBFI licence to offer merchants this kind of facility. hum ek NBFI ka license leke apne merchants ko jo hai woh yeh wali facility dein
  59. Adnan Ali says a BNPL provider needs a licence to scale to the masses. Agar usko scale karna hai aur large scale pe jaana hai aur masses ko cover karna hai toh woh licensing cover lena padega
  60. Adnan Ali says Pakistan's youth make up 63 percent of the population. hamari youth jo hai woh 63% hai
  61. Adnan Ali says Pakistan has two paths it can take. Pakistan do raaste hain jin pe chal sakta hai
  62. Adnan Ali says the last 20 to 25 years were not good for Pakistan. humne jo pichle 20-25 saal hain woh bahut achhe nahi guzare hain
  63. Adnan Ali says Pakistan did not adopt the industrial age and fell behind. humne industrial age ko adopt nahi kiya, hum peeche reh gaye
  64. Adnan Ali says Pakistan goes to the IMF every year. Uski wajah se aap har saal IMF ke paas jaate hain
  65. Adnan Ali says about 900,000 freelancers bring about 500 million dollars into Pakistan. hamare bachche 9 lakh freelancer 500 million dollars Pakistan mein leke aa jaate hain
  66. Adnan Ali says Pakistan's software exports are around 2 billion dollars. Hamari software export around 2 billion dollars ki hai.
  67. Adnan Ali says IT exports and freelancing could cover Pakistan's trade deficit of 20 to 25 billion dollars. aapka 20 se 25 arab dollar ka trade deficit hai, yeh saara IT export se aur freelancing se cover ho sakta hai
  68. Adnan Ali says Pakistan has the second largest population of children who do not attend school. Aaj Pakistan duniya ki second largest population hai bachchon mein jo ki school nahi jaate
  69. Adnan Ali says about 10 crore children have not been trained. Imagine karein ki yeh jo bachche hain, theek hai jo ki 10 crore hain, inko humne train nahi kiya.
  70. Adnan Ali says a group company was once Pakistan's largest IT company. hamari ek group company pehle thi Avanza Solutions, Pakistan ki largest IT company thi
  71. Adnan Ali says a group company is Pakistan's largest ICT company. Premier Systems, yeh Pakistan ki largest ICT company hai
  72. Adnan Ali says a PSP must keep 200 million of capital at all times. PSP 200 million ka capital all the time you have to maintain
  73. Adnan Ali's chairman has worked in the technology business for 20 to 25 years. My chairman, Arshad Raza, woh khud 20-25 saal se technology business mein hain.