Saeed Afridi
researcher at the University of Westminster
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Saeed Afridi is a researcher at the University of Westminster who works in the Department of Politics and International Relations. Afridi's work covers political theory, international security and energy security, with a particular focus on Central Asia. He has also set out views on Pakistan's political system, which he describes as a competitive authoritarian regime.
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Career
Afridi is a researcher at the University of Westminster and works in the Department of Politics and International Relations. His work covers political theory, international security and energy security. The work has a particular focus on Central Asia. Afridi says he studies chaos and complexity. He also says he is in the Middle East. [1]
Views on Pakistan's political system
Afridi says Pakistan's system is a legacy of British colonial rule. He says the system was designed to extract resources from the country. In his account, it works well for the purpose it was designed for. He says public welfare is not the system's priority, and that extraction is. [1]
Afridi describes Pakistan as a competitive authoritarian regime. He says authoritarian rule is usually carried out by a group of institutions rather than one figure. He says primacy among the institutions that run the authoritarian system lies with the army. In his view the establishment has come to mean the army. He says the army has taken a complete dictatorial role over the past two to three years, setting other institutions aside. [1]
Afridi says institutional competition is not a matter of some institutions being patriotic and others not. He says that when competition between institutions falls, the primary authority tries to impose itself, which brings pushback in a cycle. He says that if a dictator is not benevolent or is unwise, the system will collapse. He also says Pakistan changed the label to democracy while the system stayed the same. [1]
Afridi says people's first reaction to a failing system is apathy, not revolt. He says people stop voting when they think their vote makes no difference. He says apathy turns into mass discontent over time. In his account, discontent usually finds a figurehead to channel it. He adds that this pattern of discontent and figureheads happens everywhere, not only in Pakistan. [1]
Views on the bureaucracy
Afridi says the 1973 constitution placed the bureaucracy under the executive. He says whoever controls the legislator controls the bureaucracy. In his account, since 1973 the bureaucracy has served the legislator rather than Pakistan. He says officials work for the satisfaction of cabinet members and legislators. [1]
Afridi calls the bureaucratic problem a systemic one that Pakistan itself seeded, not one handed over by colonial rulers. He says the bureaucracy has no agency left. He says the 1973 decisions caused the country heavy losses. He also says Pakistan made dysfunctional the arrangements that had worked under the 1935 India Act and Burma Act. [1]
Views on parties and the military
Afridi says the Pakistan People's Party was extremely popular and had a good story to sell, with Benazir Bhutto as its figurehead. He says the People's Party re-emerged as a main contender to the military. He says Benazir Bhutto decided this was not a fight worth fighting. He says the compromise happened between 1987 and 1988. In his view, the downfall of Benazir Bhutto's party started at that point. [1]
Afridi says Benazir Bhutto had more trust in the United States than in the people. He says what the United States wanted and what the military wanted became important. He says the People's Party later came to front for the military. He says the 1990s were turbulent because voters kept switching parties when leaders did not deliver. He adds that the People's Party was probably in a much better position than PTI is now to be a challenger. [1]
Afridi says Pakistan has returned to the same juncture and will likely make the same compromises. He describes PTI as the challenger with a very large support base. He says PTI's supporters are loyal to a cause, not to the party, and that the PTI leadership is loyal to its role within the system. He says PTI lacked popularity in April 2022, when a no-confidence vote was held. [1]
Afridi says his own views and those of his viewers have changed a lot over the past two years. He says PTI's one good outcome was seeing the system through to the end. He says people can no longer ignore all of this. He says the level of criticism PTI members direct at the KPK government is a sign of what is to come. He warns the next challenger will not be as accommodating as PTI, and chaos could follow. [1]
Afridi says the blame for the crisis lies with the Pakistan army, not with PTI, other politicians or their supporters. He says the army's mistakes come from a lack of skill, not bad intentions. He argues that even if PTI had won the election, it would likely have formed a weak government. He says the United States is the key external political actor in Pakistan and the military the key internal one. [1]
Afridi says the police have no agency. He says the lower courts are going along and have zero agency. He says some pushback in the judiciary is happening at the highest level. In his view, everyone except the challenger has lost their agency. [1]
Views on governance and reform
Afridi says authoritarian or single-party governments were the model for many developing countries. He describes Vietnam as a single-party state that is growing rapidly. He says an economic crash pushed Indonesia into a reform that made it radically different. He says the collapse of the Soviet Union provided a large laboratory. He describes Poland as a democracy. [1]
Afridi says the answer lies in attributes shared by successful systems. He says access to information is a key factor when designing governing and economic systems. He says systems should be designed to use access to information, whether they are democracies or authoritarian. He says a person with a data plan has access to a lot of information. He adds that the world has become networked, so governing structures must include networks. [1]
Afridi says the lowest tier of government should be people-driven, dynamic and responsive. He proposes small administrative units run by local people at the lowest level of government. He says the top tier needs decision-makers who plan for at least five years, ideally 20 to 25 years. He says innovation at the lowest tier comes from competition between cities. [1]
Afridi says Indonesia made its lowest level of government autonomous and responsive through democratic local governments. He says local governments in Vietnam and China are autonomous. He proposes that the government of Mardan district be made autonomous, so that its residents elect their own government. He says the same arbitration and management are required at a national level. He says people have to plead with their MP and then with an official. [1]
Afridi says turbulence during a period of change is not in itself a bad thing. He says discontent with the system fades when people's immediate needs are met. He says the best reform can do is turn a bad system into a better bad system. He says a redesigned system may have many flaws, which can then be reformed into a good system. He says Pakistan could very easily be among the G20 and be a functional country with an economic presence that would give it a seat at the table. [1]
Timeline
- 1935
- In Afridi's account, the year of the India Act and Burma Act whose working arrangements Pakistan later made dysfunctional.[1]
- 1973
- In Afridi's account, the constitution placed the bureaucracy under the executive.[1]
- 2022
- Afridi says PTI lacked popularity in April, when a no-confidence vote was held.[1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2024-10-16 | Pakistan's system isn't broken — it was built to extract | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Who is Saeed Afridi?
Saeed Afridi is a researcher at the University of Westminster. He works in the Department of Politics and International Relations. His work covers political theory, international security and energy security.[1]
What does Saeed Afridi research?
Saeed Afridi's work covers political theory, international security and energy security. It has a particular focus on Central Asia. Afridi also says he studies chaos and complexity.[1]
Where does Saeed Afridi work?
Saeed Afridi is a researcher at the University of Westminster. He works in the Department of Politics and International Relations.[1]
Where is Saeed Afridi based?
Saeed Afridi says he is in the Middle East.[1]
What does Saeed Afridi say about Pakistan's political system?
Saeed Afridi describes Pakistan as a competitive authoritarian regime. He says Pakistan's system is a legacy of British colonial rule and was designed to extract resources from the country. He also says Pakistan changed the label to democracy while the system stayed the same.[1]
What does Saeed Afridi say about the army in Pakistan?
Saeed Afridi says primacy among the institutions that run the authoritarian system lies with the army. He says the establishment has come to mean the army. He also says the blame for the crisis lies with the Pakistan army, not with PTI, other politicians or their supporters.[1]
What does Saeed Afridi say about the 1973 constitution?
Saeed Afridi says the 1973 constitution placed the bureaucracy under the executive. He says that since 1973 the bureaucracy has served the legislator rather than Pakistan.[1]
How does Saeed Afridi think governing systems should be designed?
Saeed Afridi says access to information is a key factor when designing governing and economic systems. He proposes small administrative units run by local people at the lowest level of government. He says the top tier needs decision-makers who plan for at least five years, ideally 20 to 25 years.[1]
References
- Pakistan's system isn't broken — it was built to extract . Thought Behind Things , 2024-10-16.
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- Afridi is a researcher at the University of Westminster.
a distinguished researcher at the University of Westminster
- Afridi works in the Department of Politics and International Relations.
Department of Politics and International Relations
- Afridi's work covers political theory, international security and energy security.
the critical intersection of political theory, international security, and energy security
- Afridi's work has a particular focus on Central Asia.
with a particular focus on the complexities of Central Asia
- Afridi says he studies chaos and complexity.
as somebody who studies chaos and complexity
- Afridi says he is in the Middle East.
Main Middle East mein baitha hua hoon
- Afridi says Pakistan's system is a legacy of British colonial rule.
Aapka yeh nizam hai woh colonial hai. It's a legacy of the British colonial.
- Afridi says the system was designed to extract resources from the country.
woh yeh zehen mein rakh ke kiya tha ke humne yahan se resources ko extract karna hai
- Afridi says the system works well for the purpose it was designed for.
Jis kaam ke liye use design kiya gaya tha, uski takhleeq ki gayi thi, woh woh kaam kar raha hai
- Afridi says public welfare is not the system's priority; extraction is.
Magar aapki falah-o-behbood jo hai woh kabhi priority nahi hogi. Priority will be the extraction.
- Afridi says the establishment has come to mean the army.
aap aise nehch pe pahunch gaye hain ke where establishment is equals army now
- Afridi says primacy among the institutions that run the authoritarian system lies with the army.
unmein primacy jo hai woh army ki hai
- Afridi says the army has taken a complete dictatorial role over the past two to three years, setting other institutions aside.
do dhai saalon mein army ne phir slowly baaki sab ko set aside karke ek leading role nahi, ek complete dictatorial role le liya hai
- Afridi says authoritarian rule is usually carried out by a group of institutions rather than one figure.
it's usually a group of institutions that are doing it
- Afridi describes Pakistan as a competitive authoritarian regime.
Kyunki Pakistan has always been a competitive authoritarian regime
- Afridi says institutional competition is not a matter of some institutions being patriotic and others not.
Yeh baat nahi hai ke ek jo hai woh bahut patriotic hai aur dusra jo hai woh patriotic nahi hai
- Afridi says when competition between institutions falls, the primary authority tries to impose itself, which brings pushback in a cycle.
Jab woh kam ho jata hai, toh phir authoritarian jo hai, jo primary authority hai, woh apne aap ko musallat karne ki koshish karti hai, iske pushback hota hai and you have this cycle
- Afridi says Pakistan changed the label to democracy while the system stayed the same.
Aapne naam change kar diya. You are now a democracy. The system itself is the same.
- Afridi says people's first reaction to a failing system is apathy, not revolt.
Sabse pehla aapka reaction hota hai ke yaar isse toh kuch nahi fayda hona
- Afridi says people stop voting when they think their vote makes no difference.
Mere ko vote ka koi fayda hi nahi hai. Toh majority jo hai woh aake vote hi nahi dalegi
- Afridi says apathy turns into mass discontent over time.
Phir woh apathy jo hai woh slowly ek mass discontent mein change ho jati hai
- Afridi says discontent usually finds a figurehead to channel it.
Us ko channel karne ke liye aam tor pe koi ek figurehead ya set of figureheads emerge hote hain
- Afridi says this pattern of discontent and figureheads happens everywhere, not only in Pakistan.
So, this happens everywhere. Aapko Pakistan koi unique nahi hai
- Afridi says turbulence during a period of change is not in itself a bad thing.
ke woh thoda turmoil wala period hota hai. Personally, as somebody who studies chaos and complexity, that's not a bad thing
- Afridi says the 1973 constitution placed the bureaucracy under the executive.
73 ke constitution mein aapne bureaucracy ko executive ke matahat kar diya
- Afridi says whoever controls the legislator controls the bureaucracy.
whoever controls the legislator controls the bureaucracy
- Afridi says since 1973 the bureaucracy has served the legislator rather than Pakistan.
Bureaucracy aapki 1973 ke aain ke baad se was no longer serving Pakistan. It was serving the legislator.
- Afridi says officials work for the satisfaction of cabinet members and legislators.
uski khushnudi ke liye bureaucracy kaam karti hai
- Afridi calls the bureaucratic problem a systemic one that Pakistan itself seeded, not one handed over by colonial rulers.
This is a systemic systemic problem that we seeded. Yeh aapko colonial masters de ke nahi gaye the.
- Afridi says the bureaucracy has no agency left.
Agency nahi hai bechari bureaucracy ki
- Afridi says the 1973 decisions caused the country heavy losses.
1973 mein jo humne kiya uski wajah se humein bahut zyada nuqsan hua
- Afridi says Pakistan made dysfunctional the arrangements that had worked under the 1935 India Act and Burma Act.
jo 1935 India Act aur Burma Act ki cheezein kaam karti thi, humne unko bhi dysfunctional kar diya
- Afridi says the People's Party re-emerged as a main contender to the military.
jab People's Party re-emerge hui thi as a as a a main contender to the military
- Afridi says Benazir Bhutto decided this was not a fight worth fighting.
initially phir Benazir decided ke ji this is not a work a fight worth fighting
- Afridi says the compromise happened between 1987 and 1988.
The compromise happened between 87 and 88.
- Afridi says the Pakistan People's Party was extremely popular and had a good story to sell, with Benazir Bhutto as its figurehead.
Pakistan People's Party was extremely popular. It had a good story to sell with the figurehead Benazir Bhutto
- Afridi says the People's Party was probably in a much better position than PTI is now to be a challenger.
it was in probably a much better position than PTI at the moment to be a challenger
- Afridi says the downfall of Benazir Bhutto's party started at that point.
that's pretty much where the downfall started with regards to her particular party
- Afridi says the People's Party later came to front for the military.
you now have the People's Party basically fronting for the military
- Afridi says Pakistan has returned to the same juncture and will likely make the same compromises.
Aap dobara usi juncture pe aa gaye hain. And chances are that you're actually going to make those same compromises
- Afridi says Benazir Bhutto had more trust in the United States than in the people.
So, Benazir had a lot more trust and a lot more belief in the ability of the United States to deliver a change of government than she did in the people.
- Afridi says what the United States wanted and what the military wanted became important.
What actually happened was what the United States wanted and what the military wanted became important
- Afridi says the 1990s were turbulent because voters kept switching parties when leaders did not deliver.
isi liye 90s ka period bahut turbulent tha because people were constantly the minute someone would not deliver
- Afridi describes PTI as the challenger with a very large support base.
Ek aapka jo PTI ka camp hai, jo ke challenger keh lein, uski ek bahut massive support base hai
- Afridi says PTI's supporters are loyal to a cause, not to the party.
these people are not loyal to the party. They are loyal to a cause
- Afridi says the PTI leadership is loyal to its role within the system.
The support base is. The leadership isn't. The leadership is loyal to its role within the system
- Afridi says PTI lacked popularity in April 2022, when a no-confidence vote was held.
PTI did not have the popularity in 2022 April jab unka VONC hua
- Afridi says his own views and those of his viewers have changed a lot over the past two years.
meri apni personal evolution aur mere apne viewers ki evolution bahut zyada hui hai pichle do saalon ke andar
- Afridi says PTI's one good outcome was seeing the system through to the end.
the one good thing that PTI did was that they saw it till the end
- Afridi says people can no longer ignore all of this.
people are no longer in the age of information, people are no longer ready to uh ignore all of this
- Afridi says the level of criticism PTI members direct at the KPK government is a sign of what is to come.
us KPK ki government ko jis level ki criticism PTI ke log de rahe hain na that is a tell-tale sign of what is to come
- Afridi warns the next challenger will not be as accommodating as PTI, and chaos could follow.
the next challenger will not be so kind as as PTI. And so we might see a much more chaotic outburst than what
- Afridi says the blame for the crisis lies with the Pakistan army, not with PTI, other politicians or their supporters.
yeh ghalati na PTI ki hai, na baaki politicians ki hai, aur na hi support base ki hai. Yeh ghalati jo hai, yeh Pakistan army ki hai
- Afridi says the army's mistakes come from a lack of skill, not bad intentions.
And it's not because of bad intentions. It's because of not having the skill set
- Afridi says if a dictator is not benevolent or is unwise, the system will collapse.
Woh benevolent na hua aur worse agar woh kam-akal hua, theek hai? Toh the system will collapse
- Afridi argues that even if PTI had won the election, it would likely have formed a weak government.
agar PTI jeet bhi jaati election, it would have been a very weak government
- Afridi says the United States is the key external political actor in Pakistan and the military the key internal one.
Key external political actor is the United States at the moment and the internal one is the military
- Afridi says the police have no agency.
Aapki police ki zero agency hai
- Afridi says the lower courts are going along and have zero agency.
Lower courts are going along. There is zero agency there
- Afridi says some pushback in the judiciary is happening at the highest level.
Aapki judiciary mein yeh thoda bahut fight back ho raha hai, woh at the highest level ho raha hai
- Afridi says everyone except the challenger has lost their agency.
So, everybody has lost their agency apart from the challenger
- Afridi says authoritarian or single-party governments were the model for many developing countries.
For a lot of developing world, it actually was the authoritarian governments or single party rules
- Afridi describes Vietnam as a single-party state that is growing rapidly.
Vietnam is a single party state, bahut rapidly grow kar rahi hai
- Afridi says an economic crash pushed Indonesia into a reform that made it radically different.
Unki ek economic crash pushed towards an entire reform jisse aaj ka Indonesia is radically different
- Afridi says the collapse of the Soviet Union provided a large laboratory.
The collapse of the Soviet Union jo hai, and that provided us with a large laboratory
- Afridi describes Poland as a democracy.
You've got Poland, that's one kind, it's a democracy
- Afridi says the answer lies in attributes shared by successful systems.
Phir aapko yeh dekhna hoga ke inmein common attributes kya hain. And that is where your answer lies
- Afridi says access to information is a key factor when designing governing and economic systems.
Governing systems jab aap design karte hain toh access to information ek bahut important cheez hoti hai
- Afridi says systems should be designed to use access to information, whether they are democracies or authoritarian.
Aapko nizam design aisa karna padta hai jismein aap is attribute ka fayda utha sakein
- Afridi says a person with a data plan has access to a lot of information.
if he has a data plan, he has access to a lot of information
- Afridi says the lowest tier of government should be people-driven, dynamic and responsive.
At your lowest level, the lowest tier needs to be people-driven, it needs to be dynamic, it needs to be responsive
- Afridi proposes small administrative units run by local people at the lowest level of government.
So at your lowest level, you need small administrative units that are run by people
- Afridi says the top tier needs decision-makers who plan for at least five years, ideally 20 to 25 years.
At the highest level, you need people making decisions for 5 years minimum, preferably a 20-25 year period
- Afridi says innovation at the lowest tier comes from competition between cities.
Jo innovation hoti hai, kyunke the lowest tier becomes extremely competitive. Har city ek dusre se compete kar rahi hoti hai
- Afridi says Indonesia made its lowest level of government autonomous and responsive through democratic local governments.
Woh jo unhone system redesign kiya hai na, unhone yeh kiya hai ki jo lowest level of government hai, it's become extremely autonomous and very responsive. Indonesia has done that by having democratic local governments
- Afridi says local governments in Vietnam and China are autonomous.
local autonomous local governments exist both in Vietnam and in China
- Afridi says the world has become networked, so governing structures must include networks.
You are in a networked world, which means your governing structures need to react and they need to incorporate the existence of this network
- Afridi proposes that the government of Mardan district be made autonomous, so that its residents elect their own government.
Mardan district ki government ko aap agar autonomous kar dein ke aap log apni hukumat chunein, district ki
- Afridi says the same arbitration and management are required at a national level.
So this requires same arbitration, same management, but at a national level
- Afridi says discontent with the system fades when people's immediate needs are met.
Nizam se aap discontent nahi hote kyunke aapki immediate needs cover ho rahi hain
- Afridi says the best reform can do is turn a bad system into a better bad system.
The very best you can do is turn a bad system into a better bad system
- Afridi says a redesigned system may have many flaws, which can then be reformed into a good system.
Aap redesign karein, maybe it has 100 flaws in it. Phir us flaws ko aap reform kar karke usko evolve karein
- Afridi says people have to plead with their MP and then with an official.
Woh minnatein tarle kare aapke MP ki, ke phir minnatein tarle kare kisi afsar ke
- Afridi says Pakistan could very easily be among the G20 and be a functional country with an economic presence that would give it a seat at the table.
Pakistan could very easily be amongst the G20, be a very functional country with an economic um might to nahi kahunga magar an economic presence that will give you a seat at the table. You could be either