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Thought Behind Things · Jul 9, 2021 · 1:13:23

Momina Munir on losing 22 kgs and finding herself again

Momina Munir opens up about the gap year that wasn't really a gap — the weight loss, the grief, the kickboxing, and the slow return to content creation.

with Momina Munir

8 min read

The gap year that wasn’t really a gap

The episode opens with Muzamil noting something he had been watching from the outside for a while. He had seen Momina Munir go quiet — no content for a long stretch, a meeting in 2019 where she seemed confused about where she was headed, and then a kind of disappearance. “I remember us meeting in 2019 and you being confused,” Muzamil says, “and then it was about taking the year off and not doing content.”

What followed wasn’t a clean sabbatical. It was a period of grief, physical deterioration, and slow reconstruction. Momina is candid about this from the start. The gap year wasn’t a strategic pause. It was a response to circumstances she hadn’t chosen.

Losing a best friend, losing 22 kgs

The most striking disclosure in the conversation comes early. Momina describes losing her best friend — not a falling out, but a loss — and the way that grief moved through her body. “I lost 22 kgs randomly — not randomly, obviously. I was not eating.” She is careful to clarify: “When I say random I mean it’s natural weight loss. I didn’t do exercises. I didn’t diet.”

The weight loss became a signal. She started to recognise that something was wrong at a level she couldn’t manage alone. “I started to realise I am going through something. You’re mentally very weak and you need to change that.”

This is the moment the gap year became intentional. She decided not to push through university applications that year. A person close to her — she refers to him as someone who truly cared — told her she had already achieved more than most of the students she was comparing herself to. That reframing gave her permission to stop.

The introvert who thought she was an extrovert

One of the more psychologically interesting threads in the conversation is Momina’s account of how she processes emotion. She describes herself as someone who used to identify as extroverted, then came to understand something more complicated about herself.

“I used to call myself an extroverted person for the longest time,” she says, “and then I realised that I’m actually an introvert who’s very emotional, who really sort of dives deep into his emotions and thoughts if he’s alone.”

Her coping mechanism during hard times was to surround herself with people — not to share what she was going through, but to avoid being alone with it. She kept her personal struggles private even in company. Muzamil recognises the pattern immediately and says he does the same thing: “I’m much more vulnerable in very silly things.”

Both of them land on a similar conclusion — that being able to manage your own emotions without broadcasting them is a form of emotional intelligence, not suppression. “I feel like it’s emotional intelligence, to be very honest,” Momina says, “to be able to know that I can deal with my emotions myself and I don’t need to put them out there in front of other people.”

Kickboxing as the first step back

The return didn’t start with content. It started with the body. Two close friends — Momina names them as Emma and Charity — recognised that she needed to get her physical foundation back before anything else. “They were like, let’s go kickboxing. Get yourself back into your physique.”

She got a trainer. She started showing up. The discipline of something new every day — a skill that required presence and attention — gave her a structure that the gap year had been missing. Without a school routine, she had found it nearly impossible to build her own. Kickboxing gave her an anchor.

Muzamil reflects on this phase with some honesty of his own. He tells Momina that during the period she wasn’t making content, he was quietly frustrated — not at her, but because he could see what she was capable of. “I’ll be very honest — last year I was a little disappointed when you weren’t doing content. I know. And if you ask Hamnah, she can tell you how many times I was like, yeah, like what’s going on.”

The university question, still open

Later in the discussion, Muzamil returns to the question of where Momina is headed academically. She is 20, still on a gap year, and has applied to universities again — including reapplying for A-levels, which she explains is partly emotional. She had friends at a particular institution, and the connection to that place is hard to reason away.

Her A-level grades were not strong enough the first time. She is matter-of-fact about this. Chemistry was the problem. The predicted grades during COVID were handled by an algorithm she had no control over, and she watched friends from other schools receive better outcomes.

What’s interesting is how she frames the value of university itself. It isn’t primarily about the degree. “Exposure — that’s all university gives besides knowledge. It is just exposure.” She talks about professors the way she talks about mentors. She talks about networking as the real output. Muzamil pushes back gently — at the point she’s at, he doesn’t think she needs a degree to fall back on. But he acknowledges it’s a personal decision.

The conversation also touches on what she might have studied. Psychology comes up first. Then sociology, economics, politics, English, medicine. Muzamil suggests online courses as a way to explore without committing. She agrees in principle but hasn’t acted on it yet.

Coming back to YouTube — and what that actually means

By the time the conversation turns to content, Momina has a clearer sense of what went wrong before. She describes the feeling of putting out the same content repeatedly — vlogs, challenges, sit-down videos — and hitting a wall. “I feel like you keep on putting out the same content.”

She references a conversation she had with Irfan Junejo’s wife, which shifted something for her. The message was simple: you have to set challenges for yourself to grow, or the work becomes mechanical. Momina had been in a phase where she couldn’t act on that advice. But she had kept making content privately — recording carpool sessions with friends, editing them, uploading to a private Instagram account just for herself. “I was editing throughout the whole period. I was making content throughout. But I was not uploading.”

That private practice kept the muscle alive. Now she is returning to vlogs, daily life content, the things she actually enjoyed making. She is also building a small team — people she refers to, with some awkwardness, as employees. “Should I call them my employees? They are my employees technically. It just feels so weird.”

Muzamil notes that she has been filming on her phone and editing on her phone — no laptop, no professional setup — with over 150,000 subscribers. He calls it impressive. She seems unbothered by it.

Pakistan, the internet, and the experimental generation

The final stretch of the conversation moves outward. Muzamil asks Momina how she sees Pakistan evolving over the next thirty years — a question he says he puts to every guest. She is 20 now. At 50, she will be in a position of influence within her own context.

Her answer is grounded and honest. She acknowledges the bubble she operates in — good education, good networking, access to the internet. She doesn’t pretend that her experience is representative. But she is optimistic about what the internet is doing to Pakistani consciousness, particularly through platforms like TikTok, which she sees as genuinely connecting the masses to the wider world. “TikTok — what it’s doing to inculcate consumerism, growth — everyone gets a chance.”

She also makes a point about the generational shift. Her generation, she says, has seen the extremist sides of Pakistani society and is trying to find a middle ground. The internet broke a certain complacency. “We are the experimental generation,” she says. “Ignorance is bliss — but now they’re like, hey, listen, I reject this.”

Muzamil adds that what really changed Pakistan was the media, the internet, and the consciousness that came with it — the awareness that things could be different. Both of them are careful not to be naive about it. There are provinces and regions where internet access is still limited, where the shift hasn’t arrived yet. But the direction, they agree, is toward more connection, more awareness, and — hopefully — more ground between the extremes.

The episode closes with Muzamil thanking Momina for coming on. It is a conversation that started with a trip to the northern areas and ended somewhere much more interior — a portrait of a young creator who went quiet not because she stopped caring, but because she had to.

Full transcript

[Applause] [Music] [Music] that was a really good podcast i heard the entire thing and um very inspiring very very cool um but you know uh momenta was here she was you know tripping the northern areas that was nice enough yeah way but i think i can see it i feel like i could see the non-good state in terms of the fact for starters there was no content coming out for a very very long time yes uh i remember us meeting in 2019 and you being confused and then it was about taking the year off and not doing content you know like journey together you know is this it is this it i feel like you keep on putting out the same content for example vlogs blogs sit down videos challenges bad period in my life i lost my best friend i was going through a lot a caleb because i am a very extroverted person um i used to call myself an extroverted person for the longest time and then i realized that i'm actually an introvert who's very emotional who really sort of dives deep into his emotions and thoughts if he's alone yeah so as a coping mechanism i would go around people i have actually thought about this egg i like being alone also when it comes to feeling my emotions i like being around people but i can never share my personal things with people a lot of times i do the exact same thing and what i do is i'm much more vulnerable in very silly things [Music] [Applause] i might be a sociopath but i feel like the vulnerable author you tend to keep things to yourself and i feel like everyone does everyone does and i feel like it's it's emotional intelligence to be very honest to be able to know that i can deal with my emotions myself and i don't need to put them out there in front of other people the trip was really nice it was like a break okay to also kill the monotony i feel like my boss faces like year my boss faces i think i feel like everyone is evolving change is inevitable you cannot avoid avoid change a guy will right there will be a point where he will or she will realize okay okay i was doing something wrong that's also nice mother i feel like austria's do you think um do you think you get bored easily i do get bored easily but i don't also i feel like huh i do get bored you talk to so many people and you're able to start to identify some certain patterns right and i and i've realized that a lot of people that i talk to a lot of people who who've done really remarkable things and much like you've done some really remarkable things as well and a lot of times they have this thing in their minds which is a very subconscious sort of very innate ability to get bored easily and to and that was what i was thinking was a monotony break same cheese it was the same constant routine because obviously i was on a gap year i'm still on a gap year like i have applied next question okay what's what's going on with that like and i've applied to universities they can like as if now i'm still on a gap year so when there is not a routine if you're not working on a routine yeah up school menu so it's very hard to make your own routine yes what comfortable in my own space and i felt like whoa change condiments and i feel like i've made some changes for myself in 2020 because obviously and i've i realized in the sense society people my best friend everyone but me i feel like i've been really lucky with people around me especially amma and my friends were constantly reflect back could reflect back will arena to subscribe and family they will remind me because i do talk to some of my close friends about everything because i keep things to myself but i also take them out you know if you're feeling this way you might try this yeah to feel better i feel like vulnerable they are they were there to make me reflect back okay and it it comes with experience as well if you're going through something like you need to have a healthy mindset almost point and that will stop your growth yeah you need to keep growing growing growing growing up you you only live once right so why would you live in a yeah and that's where my mindset also came here changes i've changed couldn't he avoid herself you need to either you can fight it or accept it and be very very happy i've also learned one thing thing i've started to accept more it you cannot let go of it you won't let go of it because it only happened once you let go of it it's your hand is fine yeah you're out of the pain yeah so i feel like letting go yeah should be there in everyone's life 100 i feel like definitely there's always a process as well to that process a lot of people end up dwelling in that and and there's obviously professional therapy for that and what is good um tell me a little bit about your uh your you know your gap year ending where where all did you apply um i feel like did apply to universities in 2020 as well jesse graduate i was like let's just try because jana university degrees i feel like once you get to university you get to you are options open and then i see there is that we showed at birthday interesting explain this to me because i could never correlate university with popularity um so yeah you know what what do they do they're good like at good jobs yeah yeah so you can always go to them yeah to for help yeah would they say they can always help you okay so essentially what you're saying what you're saying i would call that networking networking maybe right [Music] even before like applying to universities college my to me networking okay i got to know very nice people very good people who can always be there for me and right i feel like exposure that's all university gives besides knowledge it's it's it is just exposure right teachers you can learn so much from them i feel like teachers have always been a very huge part of me math pre nursery teacher she i feel right so university your professors okay okay i feel like exposure that's important right where i was like networking university is important so mm a university may apply here unfortunately why because i have very not average all-level grades here chemistry [Applause] but anyways um so did you give your exams again no no no predicted grades so with covered yes so it's a very competitive college where amazing students are most of my friends of other schools got like all days and i was like but they obviously had their own algorithm of getting their own grades and predicted grades vegeta we've never seen something like this before it's knee fast pace everyone's just dying hospitals they can't breathe it was very true they can again it leave the other seniors there but yeah okay but um all my friends were also applying there so i was like you all got him uh not all some gordon some didn't uh do some s [Music] because she was seeing the constant depression my egg bought depressive statement i lost tons of weight i lost 22 kgs randomly not randomly obviously i was not eating i was many of you when i say random i mean it's natural weight loss i didn't do exercises i didn't die of the loss of a i started to realize i am going through something you're normally you're meant you're mentally very weak and you need to change that whose point perform and i realize you need to take a break you don't have to get a degree this year but uh like and get into university this year and i guess yeah though i didn't get in blah blah blah i was like okay so and he was really helpful he was like momenta you don't know you've already achieved so much in life more than those kids because those are the people who truly care about me and i've seen that all over my zindagi so a manual gap year leah tried to change a lot of things because i've realized i'm unstable mentally you need to change momentum so i'm sick and lucky i started to do kickboxing to get my physical basically though was point where i realized would there be many friends two friends emma and charity shout out to them they were like jello kickboxing challu bus get yourself back into your physique jobim did you get a trainer there yeah yeah there was a trainer though kickboxing everything is new every day right you know you're eight then another job so finally i'm but you were the one who were like okay let's get you to that yeah place and you've always been there amisha towards work and obviously but now i'm like i'm always thankful to you for that phase in my life because i've evolved very very nicely in that sort of thing because experiences see you were there to back me up in terms of work oh thank you muhammad to be very honest last year i'll be very honest because and everything mera personal i still believe that i was a little disappointed last year when you weren't doing content i know and if you are you'd ask hamnah you can she can tell her how many times i was like yeah like what i got busy but okay because i i saw the potential and i was like you know what's going on i feel like has always been there to motivate me again and you these two people are like in youtube wise in my life you guys are very like bound because the foundation goes strong because i know for a fact that you guys have like told me stuff about myself about my potential because you have that thought in your mind and you need to get to it it's about having that dream sort of because for a lot of people they don't have they don't even box when i'm asleep you don't even dream because they go with the flow yeah that's my thing i write like my [Music] you know the 10k subscribers oh guys her cheese i made it past i i was i was 17. yeah yeah it's understandable then i stopped making content and many realized yeah 2021 okay again to be honest the positivity planner has helped me so much so you're using that yes i i use the new one as well i i got the pink version of this little one thank you thank you so much for supporting me i i journal my day i write the affirmations i write everything because it does change a person it evolves in other because that's still a question in my mind uh where are you going for college or where i have applied to ib again why i feel like it's an option so why not use it why don't you apply to let's say [Music] yes so it's an emotional thing so obviously very emotional thing i cannot read logical i mean i can travel alone i can stay alone in another city for a long time they can at the back of my mind my nature or succe interesting because sociology may have studied all of it i've studied economics politics everything i think you'd ever be in politics maybe no why not because you might be successful in your heart right politics yeah public service what if you weren't a youtuber what would you be psychologist oh yeah i think we've talked about it yes we have yeah yeah psychology majana hey like and i'm very skeptical about it because i've had a whole year to think about it literally i was just like you need to help me with this because again i said my experience i remember he talking about his degree and not using it like he's successful he's doing great yeah degree does not make you my degree has nothing to do with your professional life huh lincoln again monday in the international relations point now today then psychology again sociology then english then doctor doctrine there were a lot of subjects coming in my brain jumped you will get a certificate for it yeah you take classes finish that course get the certificate keep it with yourself ugly then the more caregiver sociology i get the course online study it joby tomorrow different interests online courses okay i can't do this but it's [Music] with people who are on gap year with people who are in universities subsidized i was just saying okay let's just get a degree because at the end it is important yeah it is a safe option back like you can lay back on it 100 but to be honest i just at the point that you're on moment i don't think you need to lay back huh i think what what's most important for you as your degree key requirement and as worked um you're you're 19 right now i'm 20. how does that feel it felt really like patani now okay yeah that's like that's the level of carefree during that time although to be honest college is great as well like 20 24th i guess this is a nice time um media space joanna reflect back grounded for a 20 year old when you're around so much public's uh you know sentiment public emotions public conversations hate comments being because everything else will not be formal you do youtube at your will you can work with people at your will but this will be a formal thing that you have to push yourself forward with your employees should i call them your employees they are my employees technically just feel so weird so i was talking to them about yeah that's going to be great and you're going to start in august or september i believe in challenge i look forward to seeing the university going on uh what are you doing on youtube article i saw the saw those videos um you know it's the same rumor some of those um but beyond that our blog's coming back as well i think vlogs almost foreign um the things that you liked the things i liked to do okay for example vlogs tca daily life vlogs i feel like people don't want to know that yeah even though they do they do they can egg slowly and study then you start to want to not [Music] [Applause] and a lot of people like has told me that okay are you going through something or may i ignore that because obviously yes but my i wasn't ready to talk about it now i'm ready to talk about it because i've gone through it and [Music] um but basically essentially your youtube content so i'm trying to understand okay where is the moment youtuber going in the next five years going in the next five years probably foreign so let me rephrase the question there is a way that i do things generally um what i do is okay when i when i'm complacent so more often than not just on youtube for me was something completely new i had no idea youtube but i feel like in in terms of twitter it is a very toxic place for our age in your age category it's a much more mature like much more mature content yeah yeah like may i go there for for you know what's happening current affairs the concept is to get updates yeah toxicity [Music] like you could be a certain type of person it doesn't matter but that incident shapes almost everything that i do now [Music] when did this face come kiss age 18 19 18 19 okay i've yet to come to that because i feel like but then he's just normally 28 right now and she loves parties i i didn't like my 28th birthday because i turned 20. i lost my teenage years did you have a party were you around people i actually didn't have my surprise i had my college group i had my youtuber group i had my school friend group i had my family group i was like looking i feel like surprised i was just like right foreign i think at the minute you're like the day i turned 30 i was like i'm not like a 30 year old i always thought a person would be um i hope you captured but i'll come back to my original question you can maneuver through the the g7 two x two camera that you have the g7 mark ii yes i know that you can maneuver through the ipad editing or the laptop editing editing now phone editing fusion nope i in short really yes really yes someone with over a hundred thousand subscribers i think two hundred thousand subscribers 150 150 000 subscribers using my god my mind always filmed on my uh edited on my phone upbeat i can never use a laptop but i can't tell so i think you're doing a great job to be honest essentially ok sitting in front of a camera you know making these like comic sort of challenge videos can you say what is it what's the challenge do you give yourself those challenges in terms of you know how do i grow as a creator i didn't used to right now i do i think i had a conversation with irfan junejo uh unki uh i think merch i had this conversation with his wife uh like i modeled for his uh first job yes so i was i think he asked the question and then i was talking i kind of shifted towards talking to this topic with his wife was very public about how he's also in stuck in the monotony kind of on an icy video i quit vlogging and i when i saw okay i'm stuck in this monotony yeah this is the same thing over and over again or yeah my coffee then also feel good they don't get mahino's feet but i had this conversation where he was like yeah where his wife actually told me he was talking and oh there my boyhood okay mr game what was the question challenge yourself there will be a point jampe you will you need to make challenges for yourself to grow because or this is what it is but again i was in a phase right they can hoga you know i wasn't uploading but i was making videos yeah i was carpooling friends i used to record all of the carpool session and then edit it and then upload it on my private instagram account for my friends just for myself because it was on just for my friends just for me what's the uh what's the falsify so you guys just said sit and talk about it no we just sing along sing along to the songs we talk i see pagans so i was editing the throughout the whole period i was making content throughout but i was not uploading right because and again it also consistency consistency helps your channel i've seen the growth in this past month and in the whole year so it is okay consistency is very important you don't have to run fast you just have to slowly get to the pace but [Music] [Applause] so what's the thought behind that like because i feel like many it's my name and someone took a clip of that and uploaded on this youtube channel called rap underground okay and it had like 400 000 followers and i was like okay this is like a huge thing casino people keep up with urdu hip-hop i feel like it has evolved other in these years and youngstowners has a huge part in it like and but i feel like it has evolved a lot in pakistan now and it is amazing to see my kabi method american rap mini the american hip-hop manity until i started like listening to burger karachi by gary you put out a song to the for the youth of karachi kind of yeah about talking about burgers so again why does rap polarize people so much like i talk about any and everything i can sit and ask you about a youtuber and you'll be like oh this person is like this that person like that the comment section wouldn't budge and if you're a rapper and i ask you listen have you heard of this right you have a whole camp huh feel like uh this is has evolved over the years american hip-hop and biggie the main culture joshua japan enhanced okay the beef they started because they got it got them killed basically really yes so what happened was okay tupac got short by biggie but they were friends and while he was coming to meet him upstairs who shot you camping basically because he got to know kuch kustin what i don't really remember that well but could see in water and give each other they were really good friends and that was the biggest beef in like history and i feel like udder say it's beefs beefs or dishes everything just culture culture it was there so a this means disrespect [Music] but um i i it does fascinate me because you know i called someone on my show and there was a there was a a clip that went on another youtube channel it was called rap underground or something like that had over 400 000 followers i opened the channel and all it was was view of different dishes and like crazy numbers so i i don't know these guys but it was what i enjoyed part japan he was youngster is youngsters and then unkabbe for 10k sunny khandurani with all of that and i was totally on the side of youngsters study he um this is something again i'm going to take it to us to a slightly serious site um seriously i i asked everyone every one of my guests this what do you how do you seek article pakistan do you like it no you don't like pakistan no but do you like the pakistanis yes i love pakistanis i feel like [Music] most of the pakistanis i'm not talking about oil obviously they can generalize so there is probably no middle ground right and how do you see so you're you're 20 right now 30 years from now you're going to be 50. and normally what happens is when when we're looking at the future more often than not hamara subconscious keeping the current circumstances keeping all of the existing people and keeping your existing role in the society okay okay okay you would be in a position of power in your own context and content creator home i would have the business woman society matrix power position um and a lot of people like you your generation will essentially be in that power so yeah now keeping that in mind how do you see pakistan evolving based on your experience in the country whose point is middle ground hoga i feel like our age has seen the extremist side and we are a bb i feel like obviously coffee coffee cough because mera take privilege hannah we are in a bubble you know i have good education i have you know good networking i have good net good networking so i can break through my consciousness i mean i find tick tock incredibly powerful i think tick tock what that tick tock is doing to inculcate consumerism growth tick tock the idea that there is so much out there it's connected your masses to the entire world everyone yes everyone gets a chance make people laugh just having they're honestly just having fun exactly just don't connect with them you tend to bring them down or exactly that happened because of our pakistani it's making you laugh but you cannot accept that they're just enjoying i'm doing the same thing i'm making content because they cannot connect with me yeah exa that's exactly why connect me but it won't realize yeah so anyways that context do you think even within the masses there will be some positive growth inshallah do you think your kids will live in a better pakistan we were promised one i feel but beyond that i think what what really changed pakistan was the internet what really changed pakistan was the media what really changed pakistan was this consciousness that you speak of yes that listen look at the west look at what's happening on netflix exactly why can't i have this fancy thing in particular in pakistan and that complacency started breaking and we were the first generation that is now unfortunately we are the experimental generation ignorance is blessed or now they're like hey listen i i reject this i feel like mary's generation anna we have evolved in the internet the internet is to get that consciousness and i feel like in certain parts of pakistani there was no service no internet there was constantly there's separation anxiety with my phone i i i got to knock him up with alibana recently he in these five years got wiped out wiped out not five years but there was a huge operation back in 2013 so i actually got invited to um governor house of synth right any question since i am a student i want to know okay in in these places [Music] and it's just making them fall even yeah [Music] so once you find internet it's going to be new for them it's going to be your generation face for them you know you yeah you didn't like yeah bb in remote areas even sindh i feel like internet is not a large part of cinderella i feel like in every province there are places i feel there's a lot of work there going going on there as well but um you know at least overall after outlook hopefully ah obviously hopefully never lose hope life was me he was uh doing a q a and another thank you so much for coming to the show this is so you can join that as well but anyways this was amazing you are watching third band things thank you so much for watching and i'll see you in the next one