Thought Behind Things · Sep 1, 2021 · 59:20
The bluff that turned DJ Toshi into a producer
DJ Toshi on bluffing his way into a friend's house party with a YouTube tutorial, why localising EDM with sitar and tabla matters, the making of BIBA with Farasat and Umair, and why producers in Pakistan still get buried in the credits.
with DJ Toshi
11 min read
A house party, a YouTube tutorial, and the bluff that started it
The episode opens with Muzamil being honest. He had not really heard Toshi’s songs before, except for the track with Anural, and the moment he mentioned the booking to his team — “full of Gen Z kids,” as he puts it — the room lit up. They had grown up on Toshi’s sets at every event in Islamabad and Rawalpindi. That reaction is what pushed Muzamil to want this conversation on tape.
Toshi’s version of how it all started is funnier than the polished biography you would expect. A friend’s parents were out of the country. The boys had the house to themselves. They wanted to throw a party but nobody had the money to book a DJ. Toshi had been listening to David Guetta and Armin van Buuren on the one shared Android phone in the group since around 2011, so he raised his hand. “I said, yaar, I’ll do it,” he tells Muzamil. The friend asked how. The answer was the most 2016 sentence imaginable: open YouTube, search “how to be a DJ,” watch.
He went further than a stock download. He built his own preset that week, played the party, and got lucky — the mutual friends in the room were impressed enough to pass his name on. There was no turntable, no proper rig. “I was just cutting songs and mashing them together,” he says. That was the entire toolkit. The bluff held.
”Agar tu mera puttar hai, har nahi maanni”
Muzamil pushes into the family piece next, because the timeline only makes sense if you understand it. Toshi failed his A-levels three times. He was the first in his extended family, alongside his brother, to attempt O- and A-levels at all, so his father had already stretched to get him there. The second failure was bad. The third, Toshi says, broke him.
He describes sitting in front of his father, crying, expecting the worst. What he got instead was the line he still carries. “He said, in Punjabi, agar tu mera puttar hai, kabhi zindagi mein tu ne haar nahi maanni. Agar tu ne aaj haar maan li and you don’t clear your A-levels, you will always be a failure.” Toshi tells Muzamil that sentence is stuck in his head from 2015 until now. He cleared them. Then he chose music, and when his father saw the shift — the boy who would not leave his room, headphones on, building tracks — he leaned in. “Hamein bhi to apne show pe bulaaoge?” his father teased. “Bade famous ho gaye ho tum.” If his father had not blessed the choice, Toshi says, he would not have made it.
Friends as family, and the names he keeps repeating
Muzamil notices something the audience will notice too: Toshi keeps shouting out the same handful of names — Farasat, Umair, Demon, Walia, Umar, Khan. He explains the architecture of it cleanly. “Apart from my family, here is my family,” he says. There are two circles, one in Pindi and one in Islamabad. He singles out Walia Najib — known publicly as an influencer — as someone who played the role of the older sister he never had. He singles out Farasat Anees as the person who actually answered the phone when Toshi was a nobody calling around looking for someone to teach him production.
That call is one of the cleanest scenes in the conversation. Toshi was the DJ asking the producer for time. “I told him, yaar, mere paas ek idea hai,” he remembers. He still has the reply saved on his phone. Farasat did not blow him off. He told Toshi his plans were strong and offered to build with him. The pitch Toshi gave back is worth keeping in mind, because it sets up everything that comes later in the episode: “I want all of us to grow together, and when we reach the top, no single person reaches it. We all do.” Some people, he tells Muzamil, find that idea uncomfortable. He does not.
What kind of musician Toshi actually is
When Muzamil asks Toshi to name the kind of musician he is, the first answer is a joke — “I’m a hitmaker” — and the second answer is the real one. The misconception Toshi wants to puncture is that Pakistani producers chase a “gora” sound while expecting to be famous at home. He thinks that math does not work. “Tum reh Pakistan mein ho. Hamari maadri zubaan bhi Pakistan ki hai. Hamara culture Punjab ka hai,” he tells Muzamil. So he reaches for the obvious lever: the classics. He takes Strings, he takes vintage Nusrat, and he fuses them with EDM in his sets.
Most of those edits, he says, are not on streaming services. They are exclusive to the live show, kept off-platform on purpose so the people who come to a Toshi set hear something they cannot hear anywhere else. Muzamil’s reaction is genuine — he had not heard the fusion framed that cleanly before, and points out that even outside the DJ circuit, the underground bands he listens to are reaching for the same move.
EDM with a sitar, drums with a tabla
Muzamil walks Toshi into the localisation question through Coke Studio — specifically the run of releases where Urdu and Balochi lyrics were laid over Western arrangements, and the match was beautiful. Could the same trick be done in pure EDM? Toshi’s answer is matter-of-fact: it has been done, and the lever is the instrument layer. “Ek normal guitar, uski jagah aap sitar use karo,” he tells Muzamil. “Drums ki jagah tabla use karo.” When a local instrument hits in a track, even in Hunza the response is the same — people turn around and ask what is being played.
The deeper frustration that comes out of this stretch is not about EDM at all. It is about live performance in Pakistan. Muzamil’s example is Hans Zimmer in Prague, where the ticket is two thousand dollars and the room sits in suits for a deliberately boring affair, because what they are paying for is four hundred musicians playing in perfect synchronisation. Toshi agrees that “gora yeh samajhta hai. Pakistan mein performing arts ka concept hi nahi — bas lip sync.” Big shows in Pakistan, big stars on stage, the band silent behind them, the vocal playing off a file. The audience accepts it. Until that ceiling cracks, the scene cannot mature into what it could be.
The producer problem
Toshi gets sharpest when Muzamil lets him talk about how producers are treated. He uses DJ Khaled as the international reference point — a producer who does not perform vocally, but whose name leads the track and whose features get fifty percent of the credit. In Pakistan, he says, the inverse happens. The producer’s name does not make the title. If you are lucky, friendship buys you a line in the description: “music by Toshi.”
This is the structural fight that explains why his own released catalogue is so small. “Banaaunga to apna gaana banaaunga, apne channel pe daalunga,” he tells Muzamil. The actual labour, he wants the audience to understand, is not trivial. The vocalist hands over a take. Then someone has to treat it, tune it, place it on a scale, produce the music underneath it, mix it, and master it. “Itna bada process kaun kar raha hai?” he asks. “Ek peeche baitha hua producer. Aur usko kya mil raha hai? Kuch bhi nahi.” The kicker — and this is Toshi’s, not a paraphrase — is that the typical thank-you arrives as a five-thousand-rupee meat order. That is the local economy of production, said cleanly on tape.
The Anural song, and discovering people early
Muzamil asks about the Anural track. The story is small and worth telling at the speed Toshi tells it. He was sitting with his Kashaf Boys one night when one of them, Umar, pushed a clip in front of him. “Yaar, please ek dafa sun to le.” Toshi has, by his own admission, an ego — not arrogance, he insists, but the kind of ego that filters most pitches out. This one got through. He sent the girl on the clip a thumbs-up and a “great job.” She had about four thousand Instagram followers at the time.
When he later messaged her offering to produce a song, she did not believe it was real. “No way, don’t message me,” was the first reply he still has saved. He asked for what she had. She sent the only original she had written. It was good, he says, but too romantic for what he wanted to make. He waited. Then, sitting in the fields one day, the hook came to him — “kendi dil de bol ek waria” — and that became the track. It travelled, by his count, to thirty-six countries. The lesson he keeps returning to in this section is that the friends and the small circle are the seed; the fans come and go, the friends stay. He had not even told his friends about his own first show when he played it.
Making BIBA
The making of BIBA is the section Toshi is clearly proudest of. He sets up the technical vocabulary first, because Muzamil asks. Trap is the form of EDM that sits around 128 BPM, with deep house on one side and the heavier kicks on the other. Farasat is more of a trap producer; Toshi is the one who likes playing at 150 BPM with the kicks coming in hard. The two of them, with Umair — known in the conversation as the third partner who came back from China in 2016 — sat around a table with Farasat at the controls. Farasat had an idea. They built around it.
What is unusual about BIBA, in Toshi’s telling, is that it has no external collaboration in the vocal sense. The vocal sample was purchased as a pack, which means the rights sit with the producers. No vocalist to chase, no feature credit to split, no industry middleman. They wrote it, they released it, they own it. Toshi is meticulous about his own share. “Drop pe I helped. Vocal jo uski ek pyaari si melody hai — it’s only Farasat,” he tells Muzamil. He will not take credit he did not earn, even on his own record, on his own podcast.
The numbers caught up later. Two million views on YouTube, two million on SoundCloud, almost a million on Spotify. By Toshi’s count, somewhere around five million streams. No music video — yet. They are making one. What he wants Muzamil to register is not the count but who is listening. “Pehle to industry tak humara naam hi nahi pahunchta tha,” he says. Now the big rooms know who they are. That is the win.
From Ultra to PUBG
The last stretch of the conversation pivots, at Muzamil’s prompt, into something most listeners would not expect from a DJ — competitive PUBG Mobile. The setup is autobiographical. Toshi had been booked for Ultra Music Festival in Dubai, his first international slot, alongside a small run of other shows. He was sad on the way back. Not for the obvious reason — he had played — but because he had seen what every kind of party at that scale looks like, and he could not bring it home. COVID was already closing the local scene. He landed back in Pakistan, played a handful of shows in Karachi and elsewhere, and waited.
PUBG filled the gap. He had always been a gamer — counter-strike and Cross Fire in school computer labs, skipping out to play. The reactivation came through Khan, his close friend from university and, by Toshi’s reckoning, one of the best players in South Asia. Khan pulled him into competitive play and guided him through it. Toshi will not call himself addicted. He will call himself locked in.
He uses the section to make a broader point about the industry rather than about himself. PUBG was briefly banned in Pakistan. He was, by his own account, the first to make a video pushing back against the ban. The case was fought and won. The reason he respects the outcome is that the Pakistani side told PUBG, plainly, that if they were earning this much from the country, the least they could do was open an official office. They did. PUBG Mobile Pakistan now exists as an official entity, with proper casting, proper advertising — Shoaib Akhtar, he notes, was in a recent campaign. He walks Muzamil through the structure of competitive play — national championship, then Pro League, then Pro League Asia, then World League, then Global Championship — and gives top honours to Khan’s Team Qwerty, who have taken PMCO and the campus championship and held a stable line-up while other rosters keep rotating.
By the end of the conversation, Muzamil and Toshi are well past the hour mark. Muzamil thanks him for the depth and asks the audience to comment — agree or disagree — and to flag whether Toshi should come back, because there is more to talk about. Toshi, for his part, sounds like someone who already knows there will be a next time.
Full transcript
सानव हौदी राज़ राज़. Welcome back to another episode of Thought BYN. Things are मेरे साथ मौजूद हैं. एक बहुत ही interesting मेहमान जो कि सच्ची बात है. I'll be very very honest. I had not heard his songs before. I had heard one song जो कि अनुराल ख़ालिक के साथ इनका आया था. But then, वह मुझे personally बहुत अच्छा लगा था and I wanted him to have to have him on the show. And then आज मैंने अपनी team को बोला मैंने कहा कि so my team is full of Gen Z kids right and and and मैंने उनको बोला कि DJ Toshi आ रहे हैं and he they were like oh my god ये तो you know growing up हमारे साथ जो है ना वो you know जितने भी events होते थे उधर play करते थे और वह सारा का सारा. So they were super excited and that's when I got super pumped कि, I really want to know about this journey. So, Toshi because I know that you used to go by DJ Toshi but that has changed. You become a producer now. Yeah. Thank you so much for being part of the show. Thank you so much for inviting me. I mean, I'm I'm good. चलिए, ज़बरदस्त. I'm gonna start off this conversation with because you are a musician inherently. And we also know again, बढ़ैर से से आप लोग कह रहे थे, मुझे भी पता लगा कि यह PUBG professionally भी खेलते हैं. तो we're gonna talk about that as well, we're gonna focus on the music first.
Tell me a little bit about कहां से आपने how did that come into your life? I mean, you know, ज़मीर भाई आप लोग आकर बैठते हैं, लोग अपनी एक story सुनाते हैं लेकिन मैं एक सच्ची बात कहूंगा कि एक इंसान के अंदर एक चीज़ होती है, ठीक है और वह बस उसको ढूंढनी होती है. तो मेरे लिए एक इसको कह लेंगे आप एक बहुत बड़ा like छक्का गहले से या they it was there, ठीक है? It was there and I wanted to do something in life and I didn't know it was music. मैं सीधी सीधी कहूं it was a bluff. Obviously there is a lot of struggle but it was a genuine genuine bluff. So, I did that it's a very funny story. मेरे दोस्त के घर वाले गए हुए थे out of country. So, we are the house to ourselves, ok? अब हमारे ऐसे हालात हो गए कि हमारे पास कोई DJ arrange करने के पैसे ही नहीं थे. Right. तो I used to listen to EDM a lot like back in 02/1112 I remember मेरे दोस्त का एक Android phone होता था. पूरे group में एक ही Android phone होता था. उस पर मैं वह David Guetta और Armin Buren सुनाता रहता था. तो वो interest मेरा था. तो I was I was like sitting like this. Was like यार मैं कर लेता हूं. वैसे तू कैसे करेगा? मैंने कहा मैं कर लूंगा. So, home. The first thing you do, open up YouTube, how to be a DJ. Right. So I देखना शुरू किया, सीखना शुरू किया. फिर what I did उस time भी I made my own preset. I could have easily done कि मैं कुछ download करके चला लेता. हां. So अब वह show था उधर जिस दिन हमने like the party was going on. तो luckily I performed good. अब mutuals के जो आगे mutuals आए होते हैं तो वो लोग आ गए. उसका हो सके आप software use कर रहे थे या turntable नहीं से उस time में कुछ भी नहीं उस time मैंने बस जितना you cut a song you mash it together then उस सिर्फ ये करो. Really? Like not even like कि जो आपके पूरे turntable songs आते हैं you know just like चू पे लगा हुआ है दिन्यान में चाचा इतना ही साव लगा रहे हो ज़बरदली कि आपके पास एक DJ arrange करने की वैसे नहीं how can you know arrange that thing? Yeah yeah yeah makes sense. So but फिर मैंने कहा अब बनाने का time. फिर मेरे पास page था. फिर I started uploading my videos as well. फिर थोड़ा थोड़ा करके इस तरह यह journey बस start हुई. Right. This is start हुआ. And this is 02/1112? This was in 2016. '16? Yeah. और plus कुछ teachers भी ऐसे होते थे जो I still wanna go out and have a conversation with when they used to say कि इसका कुछ नहीं हो सकता and I am लेकिन frustrating with खैर वो मुझे बस होता कि मैंने नहीं पढ़ना
सातारह में हुई थी. और सोलह में और फिर उसके बाद आपने formal education थोड़ा ऐसे के लिए रोक लिया. मैंने कहा यार let me just forget my life. Exactly. और music meanwhile start किया है. और उसके उसके दरमियान music. 2016 मैं I was introduced to music. Right and your initial introduction to music was DJing and Exactly. I've always Till
now, I prefer more performing than producing till now. अच्छा. हां.
And at this point in time, if I were to ask you what sort of a musician you are, what would you say? I'm a hitmaker. Level level level. But in terms of genre, like, what would you prefer? Basically,
there's a very misconceptions but, you know, many producers do. They want to stick to वो गोरा वाला culture but they want to get famous in Pakistan. Right. इस platform से I want to advise them कि देखो तुम रह Pakistan मेरे हो. हमारी माध्री जुबान भी Pakistan है. हमारा culture, हमारी सारी चीज़ें जैसा मैं पंजाबी हूँ मेरा culture Punjab है. I took out the -वो classics अपने strings के और पुराने नुसरत के, वो fuse करता था मैं EDM के साथ. Oh very good. So the listeners would listen to me. So this is available on online somewhere? Yeah, the the ones I play on my show they are not available because it's my exclusive thing and plus I also have to do it live. But जो मेरी पूरी tracklist है, वह solely यह है कि गाना है किसी और का. लेकिन they are my own edits. I made them. ताकि वो exclusive भी रहे और वो shows पे ही बचता रहे सिर्फ. ज़बरदस्त, ज़बरदस्त. Would love to hear that यार. That's an interesting fusion I never thought about before and you are absolutely right even beyond the DJ circuit.
A lot of underground bands particularly आपका eight seventeen, eighteen, nineteen you were continuously doing, shows? Yeah, exactly. All over Pakistan. Right. And then COVID hit. How did that impact your particular industry? I mean, it
just speaking before कि मेरी ज़िंदगी stage थी. मतलब मेरा यह scene होता था कि मुझे याद है एक still में मैं that time it was in 2019. मेरा एक show था इस्लामाबाद में, एक फ़ैसलाबाद में. The other day, फिर I had to come back to पुशावर. From फ़ैसलाबाद to पुशावर then इस्लाबाद then फ़ैसलाबाद. Oh, I'll tell you about it about that. But वह इतना एक scene रहता था कि अब लेकिन अब घर बैठना पड़ता है, सोचना पड़ता है कि यार क्या करें? इस चीज़ में लेकिन मैंने कुछ commercial music बनाया. Right. Just for the sake, लेकिन मैं believe करता हूं एक अच्छा निकालो. तो वह I did. Right. So, I made the both of my recent songs were number one on Spotify. Right. और,
you know, अनुरारवादा I saw that there are 2,000,000 and then बीबा is now बीबा is the thing. बीबा has, I
mean, it's I can say like एक एक बंदा है मैं उसको बिल्कुल ज़रूर mention करूंगा उसका नाम फरासत नहीं है सा. So, back in the day when I wanted to produce music because I was a DJ so मैंने कहा नहीं यार production करनी ही करनी है. अब ऐसे तो नहीं होता कि आप सीख लो एकदम. अब you need people around you and specially good people. So I started calling few producers and they were like हां तू कौन है भाई? Sir मैं सीधी बात मैं आपको बड़ी genuine में कि यह industry. Industry में नाम बिकता ना sir? Sir, बिकता है. जो बात है. Industry आपकी बहुत बहुत ज़्यादा fake है. अब आपका पूरा Instagram fake है. सब fake है. ठीक है? Men, बच्चों में, इन बड़ों में बड़ी अच्छी तरह संभल के मैंने देखे. तो this one call was to फ़रासतनीस. Right. So I called him. How old is this guy? वह मेरे से दो साल बड़ा. He's, 28 है. He's 28. And you're 26 right now? I'm 26 right. So I called him. He was like, yeah, what's up? I was like, I'm this guy. I'm a big fan. I'm still his big fan. Right. Still रास्त्नी's biggest fan is तोषी right here. तो I was like यार मेरे पास ही idea है. उस time मेरे पास नाजिया सिंह का एक remix था जो मैं बनाना चाहता था. तो मैंने उनसे कहा कि यार मेरे पास एक idea है. And you know what he said I still have that thing in my mommy. He was like यार तेरे आगे के plans गए हैं. मैंने कहा फिर अदस्तु भाई देखें scene ऐसा है कि मैं चाहता हूं कि हम सब मिलकर grow करें और जब top पर जाएं, एक कोई बंदा ना जाए हम सब जाएं. Right. Right. और यह बात लोगों को बुरी भी लगती है कि क्यों ऐसा है? तो अब एक चीज़ ऐसी है मैं क्या कह सकता हूं? खैर वह बहुत अच्छा उसने मुझे बहुत guide किया है throughout the life. Being he is the pioneer of you know EDM music in Pakistan he has been doing music since past fifteen years
particularly. पहला आपने mention किया था and I want to touch that first. You talked about your family and and and 15 में you know you failed your A levels. You continued to fail your A levels up until 17 and meanwhile you started your music and you decided not to pursue formal education. Exactly. And you decided to pursue music. What was your family's role in this entire situation?
You know, my my dad he's always been, the best. Everyone says that but, you know, he's the best dad ever but, खैर, when I failed the first time A levels, ठीक है? And also I want to mention me and my brother are the first one in the entire family who did OONA levels. So he was going out of the way. ख़ैर वह हम उसे ना नहीं आ पा रहे थे उस चीज़ में. उनको पता है ख़ैर दूसरी दाव fail किया. अब वह एक चीज़ है मेरे एक बिगैरती कह लो या मतलब मैं नहीं पढ़ता था तो इसलिए. लेकिन जब तीसरी दवा fail मैंने किया ना तो मैं बहुत दुख में था और जब मां बाप ही आपकी आंखों में दुख देख सकते. So I was just looking at my father and I was like I failed again and I started crying and he was the first time he saw me crying इस तरह वैसे तो and the first thing he said was कहते हैं अगर I mean Punjabi स्वाया कहना है कि अगर तू मेरा पुत्तर है ना कभी ज़िंदगी में तूने हार नहीं माननी. अगर तूने आज अभी हार मान ली और यह तूने A levels नहीं clear किया तो you will always be a failure. That thing in my mind is stuck from back in 2,015 till now till whenever कि मेरा पुत्तर अगर है तो, हार नहीं माने. तो मैंने नहीं हार मानी है तो इस तरह करके. फिर जब music start हुआ वह सबसे funny story. Music start हुआ तो अब मैं अब उन्होंने देखा यह लड़की की life ही change हो गई. हर वक्त कमरे में बैठा है, headphones लगाकर कभी कुछ ना. और यह होता है, ठीक है? हमें भी तो अपने show पर बुलाओगे. बड़े famous हो गए हो तुम. उस journey से अब वहां पर अगर मेरे वालेत साहब मुझे ना कहते कि पुत्रक तू कर, तो शायद मैं ना कर रहा होता. So it was, it was a big part of that was your father? Exactly, always been.
ज़बरदस्त. And what about your friends? And I'd like to ask also, you know, you probably had friends in पूरी ज़िंदगी आप Saint Mary's में थे? पूरी Saint Mary's में थे. So आपके ज़हरे वह बचपन के old Saint Maryans होंगे. Are you still friends with them? Was their role initially? क्योंकि वह गए होंगे ना कोई नाम चला गया होगा, कोई कहीं और चला गया होगा. यह तो मज़े की बात है सारे इकट्ठे हैं. अब मैं आपको एक चीज़ बताता हूं अभी बड़ी controversial
सी बात है. For me, मेरे घर वालों को निकालकर friends and here's my family. अच्छा. This is a huge difference. मेरी ज़िंदगी में एक तो मेरे घर वालों ने, मेरे भाई ने, मेरे अम्मी अब बुनिकिया role play, मेरी बहन ने. Right. तो for me the friends are always there. Another thing, after apart from this, I have two circles, ok? The one in पिंडी and the one in Islamabad. Right. So everyone knows I don't have to introduce her. It's वलिया, ok? Right. वलिया नजीब. अब people see her as an influencer लेकिन मैं बताऊं उससे अच्छी, उससे अच्छा इंसान, उससे अच्छी दोस्त कोई बहन नहीं सकती. अच्छा. मेरी ज़िंदगी में बड़ी बहन नहीं है. उस बंदी ने एक बड़ी बहन का role अदाखिया.
आपने जब start में hip conversation start ही ना मैंने आपको रोका था आपने कहा दो और लोगों के बारे में आपको बताऊंगा फरासत के अलावा. हाँ exactly.
अब वो दो और वो लोग हैं एक rap demon everyone knows him hip hop industry का South Asia का one of the best rappers. अभी pop industry में उठाने में उसका काम है and the second one is अमार. Right. अमार is basically select trick जिसके साथ हमने बीबा बनाया. Right. ठीक है? तो मैं फरासत अमार. हम लोगों ने बीबा बनाया हम. तमार, is this guy who is a filmmaker? No, no he is not. He used to be in China. He came back in 2016. Right. तो उस time वह फरासत का दोस्त था तो यह basically सारे फरासत के दोस्त हैं फिर हमारे भी बंद हैं. वह असल में एक बड़ा struggling phase था ना? Right. याद है demon की पहली video थी. हम ऐसे दीवारों पर एक बारे चिपका रहे हैं और आज मतलब बड़ी बड़ी आज हमारी sponsored videos थी. Prefer production होती है सारा कुछ होता है. And I think that's the beauty of the of the industry. Exactly and the first ever good main commercial track was with demon. It was called पाकिस्तानी. बहुत crazy track था, बहुत hit भी हुआ था. It had like almost a million views. तो ये boys जो थे ना इन्होंने हमेशा हम चार लोगों ने ना ऐसा music किया है और ऐसी एक struggle किया है ना कि मज़ा आता देखे. When I look back मैं कहता हूं यार क्या मज़े की ज़िंदगी गुज़ारी है? और अभी भी मैं वही गुज़ारना चाहता हूं. When you look at your music,
obviously music is a form of expression, right? In your mind and I was listening recently listening to there was this another guy hip hop Eastlahabad पिंडीया में भी आया था वह. आशिम नवाज़. आशिम नवाज़, yeah. आशिम नवाज़. यार वो खा जाते हैं यार आखिर वो आके competition में खाना शुरू कर देते आप ना उसके बारे में ये बोल दो उसके बारे बारे में don't know I apologize but Hashem's music I was listening to and I heard this one track उसका है मेरे भाई अब let me just let me just एक भाई so it's like एक भाई और वो मेरे miss बिल्कुल ना बहुत सारे भाई बता रहे कि एक भाई मेरा ऐसा है और एक भाई मेरा वैसा और आप and so and and a lot of his music I was listening to. I was मैं मंगला से वापस आ रहा था. I had like an hour and a half to spare driving the car and मुझे उसमें वह मैंने एक के बाद एक उसके सारे गाने सुने और उन गानों के अंदर मुझे जो अच्छी चीज़ लगी वह यह लगी है. A lot of hip hop that I hear generally in Pakistan is a lot of you know बची and booze and drugs and you know and as a 30 year old I don't I don't connect with that anymore. Exactly, you can never connect with that. Yeah, but with Hashem's music I was hearing a lot of अगर वह social issue भी कर रहा है वह कोई इस तरह नहीं social issue कर रहा कि उसको इतना ज़्यादा वह बना देकर पता नहीं कोई बहुत ही होती उस तरह की चीज़ है. It was a very interesting social commentary. It's a very relatable, उस तरह की वह vibes को capture कर रहा था. If I were to ask, you know, what what is it that you channel through your music? What's the thought? What would that be?
It's definitely gonna be कि there's no fly. Like, our fly has never been, you know, there in the EDM industry. So, my whole and main purpose is और वह जो मेरी एक एक मेरी देसी vibe है. मेरी देसी vibe कभी खत्म. मेरे वह हमेशा show भी Instagram पर होती है, इस podcast में भी show हो रही थी. तो जो देसी element है ना एक music के अंदर जो real चीज़ है. मतलब मेरे music में मैं इतना भूल नहीं सकता. Right. I have to produce. लेकिन मैं कोशिश अपनी पूरी करतूं the instruments I use and the videos I try to make, try to make. उसमें मेरी कोशिश यह होती है कि यार कहीं ना कहीं Pakistan का idiom का scene ऊपर जाए. I mean हर किस्म का music produce होता Produce होता Right. लेकिन EDM जो है ना वह दिल के बहुत क़रीब है. यह वह time है कि जिसने मुझे आज तोशी बनाया था. And do you think you you localize EDM? So a lot of times when I
you know, they they brought out a bunch of songs recently and जब आपका वह चार सौसमझ super. Yeah, miss amazing work. उनकी वह जो western music के साथ वह एक local, उर्दू की लेरिक या बरोच लेरिक चाहते हैं, that's a that match is beautiful. They were doing this exact same thing, and they were doing very good. So that's, that's essentially is there another way where without the, for example, मैं TS tour उठाता हूं, right? And and there is just, apart from very specific It's only music. It's only music. If I were to take that only music and if I were to localize it, is there a possibility to do that as well? You can do that easily. Like, we've been doing this since way back. जो instruments हैं ना, like, अगर आप
एक normal guitar, उसकी जगह आप सितार use करो. Right right right. उसकी जगह आप तब drums की जगह तबले use करो. Mhmm. कोई जो basically जब local instrument hit होता है ना आपको even जब आप हुंजा जाते हो, अबड़े हुंजा कहते हैं हां क्या बजाज रहा है?
तो यह बड़ा एक मसला है वह आपका. How do you, like, how do you feel about that? Because Pakistan में आतेफ़सलम चलता है, आतेफ़सलम the band नहीं चलता. आतेफ़सलम the band. You know so. बिला बिल्कुल TV रह जाता. हां, and again like आतेफ़सलम is is is phenomenal. ऐसा कोई नहीं यार rate दे रहे हैं यह ना मतलब आप कह रहे आते भाई है. I mean आते भाई का king level है जिसको आप उनको इस podcast पर बोलते हुए भी मेरी शरामानी चाहिए थी मैंने गलती कर्ती बोल दी. But मैं एक एक example दे रहा था कि band वह concept नहीं है कि एक एक एक orchestra मिलकर जैसा मेरे लिए ना music को जब मैं देखता हूँ and again आपका तो अपना electronic scene हो चुका हुआ है but generally personally मुझे जिस तरह बताता है Hans Zimmer को है बहुत ज़्यादा you know religiously follow करता हूँ. Hans Zimmer the one who did inception and dark night and all music and you listen to Hans Zimmer's you know live in Prague और वो सारा का सारा and for me the beauty is कि यार चार सौ बंदा बैठा हुआ है और उस बंदे का एक जो concert है ना वह बड़ी एक it's a very boring affair आप suit पहन के जाके बैठ जाते हो वह दो हज़ार dollar का ticket है उसका और वह है इस वजह से because वह जो चार सौ बंदा एक synchronization के साथ जो बना रहा है उसकी beauty है. Plus his life. Yeah और गोरा यह समझ रहा है? गोरा यह समझ रहा है. जी. गोरा बहुत चीज़ है भाई. Pakistan में एक तो वैसे भी मुझे यह मसला नज़र आता है कि हमारे यहां performing arts and performance का concept ही नहीं बस lip sync. बड़े बड़े shows के ऊपर lip sync कर लो जाकर. हालांकि आप बाहर जाते हो वो millions of dollars के shows होते हैं लेकिन वो बड़े से बड़ा star कभी lip sync नहीं करेगा. Because the performances exactly paying for the performance and उसी के साथ साथ it's never about like it's just वो एक star आ जाए पीछे music वाला band बेशक चला जाए music लगा दो सारा के गाले. और
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अमूमन यही हो रहा था. अमूमन यही हो रहा था. तो तो तो how do you feel about that?
यार मेरी इस time शक्ल में जो हुआ है यह. उससे आप अंदाज़ा लगा लो यार बहुत पता है एक मतलब इसकी मैं example दूं like let's suppose DJ खालिद हम सब like he doesn't do anything you know. लेकिन he has his own track. He features people. अब मुझे एक चीज़ समझ नहीं आती है पाक्षतानियों को मसला गया यार अगर एक तो मैं producer feature कर रहा हूं. He is giving you the 50% credits. He is giving you everything. People listening to your songs know that you have sang. See? तो अब दुख इस बात को होता है कि यार सारा अब इतने सारे ऐसे गाने में मतलब भी आप सुनते होंगे आप कहते होंगे यार यार इसका music बहुत fit था. बहुत सारे ऐसे गाने लोग सुनते ही इसलिए उसका music अच्छा होता है. तो why हम एक एक वह नहीं वन सकते, एक solo entity नहीं वन सकते. हमेशा ऐसा क्यों है कि produced by something, produced by something. नीचे title में भी title में तो चलो दोस्ती यारी में दिदाल ही देते. दोस्ती यारी ना हो, नीचे description में लिख देते हैं music by तोषी or whatever. इससे मेरी इतनी बड़ी जद्दोजहद रही ना इसकी वजह से आज मेरे सिर्फ़ छह सात गाने हैं कि बनाऊंगा तो अपना गाना बनाऊंगा, अपने channel पर डालूंगा. करना है जिसने करें, नहीं करना ना करें, मैं खुश हूं. Mhmm. मुझे ज़रूरत ही नहीं वह भी एक part होता है. हां. लेकिन आप देखें उससे बंदा vocals देकर जाता है. You have to treat them. You have to auto tune them. You have to make sure they are on a scale. Then you have to produce music. Then you have to mix them. Then you have to master it. ठीक है? इतना बड़ा process कौन कर रहा है एक पीछे बैठा कर ला producer. हां. और anime उसको क्या मिल रहा है कुछ भी. कुछ भी नहीं मिल रहा उसमें. Message क्या आते हैं? पांच हज़ार की meat बनाते हैं.
अनुराल के साथ आपका गाना आया था. Tell me a little bit about that. How did that happen? Because I remember, you know, she lockdown के अंदर she started singing and then and I know, you know, she came on my wife's podcast as well. So she's this very shy girl, is not a very big part of the industry.
You know, recently discover हुई है discover ok वह online ही रही थी. She wasn't COVID के time पर वैसी people हां, exactly they were on their Instagram. Yeah, networking तो कोई नहीं हो रही थी. So how did that sort of materialize and what was that experience like? यार इसी में एक रात like every night मैं plane किशाफ boys के साथ बैठा हुआ था. Right. तो उनमें से एक boy है उमर उसका नाम है. उसने मुझे कहा यार मैं अपने flow में बैठा हूं उसने मुझे कहा यार यह वासन. संगाना चिलाया मैंने कहा. ठीक है और मैंने कहा. कहता है यार please एक दफा sun तो ले. अब वह सही सी बात है एक आप में ego था. मेरे अंदर बहुत ego है लेकिन वह तकब्बर वाला ego नहीं. अच्छा. वह खुदी वाला ego है. जब hit हो जाता ना इधर तो मैंने कहा नहीं यार इसमें कुछ है. फिर मैंने कहा यार चलो अच्छी बात है. मैंने easy thing and plus ये लोग चीज़ मानेंगे इस चीज़ को. I have like always given random shout outs to random artist. खैर? तो वह मैंने उसको लड़की को मैंने कहा यार thumbs up, great job and then you know that वह एक अच्छा उसका एक अच्छा response दिया. वह बहुत खुश हुई क्योंकि उस time I remember she had like 4,000 followers on her Instagram. अच्छा, so that's very early on. Exactly, that's the मैं I discovered अनुरुल way back. Right. Like when सिर्फ इस्लामाबाद का एक close circle उसको follow करता था. Right. तो उसमें से ही मेरा एक दोस्त था जिसने मुझे बता दिया वरना तो अनुरुल मैंने वैसे इसे शुक्ल शुक्ल में हम जब मैंने उसे बोला मैंने कहा यार अपना काम करते रहो बस ब्रदराना मशवराइए कि इन चीज़ों को अपने YouTube पर डालो और अपना original निकालो. ठीक है. उसने कहा यार मेरे पास सिर्फ़ एक ही original है लेकिन मैं क्या करूं? I don't have anything. मैं producer के पास ना mic ना यह वह. अब डर इसी बात है बंदा बैठा अब बनवाया सा है. मैंने कहा I still have that message. मैंने कहा what if तोषी produces your song? She was like no way don't message me. मैंने कहा चलो यार कर लेते हैं. मैंने कहा मुझे गाना भेजो. अब मेरा यह था मैंने कहा बोल तो दिया अब यह ना हो गाना फजूलो. हां. ठीक है गाना उस लड़की ने मुझे भेज दिया and it was good. It was a good song. लेकिन वह मैं feel नहीं कर पा रहा था क्योंकि वह इतना romantic और मेरी वायु हमेशा वह थक रही है, जट live forever. I use, I like listen to पंजाबी songs a lot, you know, forever है देसी. Like कभी कभी आप बैठे होते और fields में चले जाते हो. बैठा और fields में चला गया. एकदम मैंने कहा मुझे एकदम उसके वह वाला पाढ़ आ गया. यह वाला कोल. केंदी दिल दे बोल एक बारिया. तो यह पाढ़ ना बाहर में जान में चला. In the world like 36 countries और यह वह. उन कोई चीज़ समझ थी तो उन्होंने मुझे करने दिया. Right. जिस जिसको समझ होती है वह करने देता है और जितना मैं यह आप parents की बात करें यह ज़्यादा responsibility child पर भी आती है. Mhmm. वह कितना easy is a very formal. कितना उसको मुखलिस होकर अपने वाले दयन के साथ बैठकर. बैठकर वह कितनी कैसे बात करता है. जितना वह उनको trust develop करवाएगा ना उतना उसके लिए आसान होगा. जैसे parents नहीं मैं समझता हूं कि हम लोगों को भी किसी दिन आराम से बैठकर
बच्चों की भी यह responsibility आती है कि अपने parents को onboard लेकर आएं और सच्ची बात है यार हम सब, me included, you included, all of us did something different from the society. Exactly. And a lot a big part of that was onboarding our parents so that we are we can still continue to do that. Exactly.
So so the अनुराल thing happened. I mean, it it blew up. It was amazing. यार, खैर उसमें beach में एक story. तो उसको मैं कह रहा था कि मैंने कहा यार एक अनुराल ऐसा सोर लगा दो मजाज. अच्छा. वह बेचारी शर्मा रही हूं. समझ नहीं आ रही. मैंने कहा सारे उधर देखो. मतलब आप ख़ुद बताएं मतलब मिल भी जब आपने पहला अपना काम start किया था आपने किसको कहा था share करने? दोस्तों वही कहा था. Very simple. Exactly, मैं सबको यही बताता हूं bro यह fans phones आ जाते हैं. यह आते हैं चले जाते हैं. दोस्त जब बात आता है. बल्कि दोस्तों को कहा भी नहीं था. ज़बरदस्त. मतलब वो बड़ी एक seed होता है खैर वो अच्छा fit हो गया, बहुत अच्छा गाना हो गया. लेकिन उससे ज़्यादा मज़ा मुझे बीबा कहा था. वो अपनी चीज़ है. Right. वो production, वो दोस्त मेरे इकट्ठे बैठ के वो एक. So, tell me a little bit about that. What what was how did that song happen? बीबा
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a luck. So, basically, फरासत produces more trap music. I'm more into playing trap music, ठीक है? So, what's trap music? Trap music is like so it's EDM की एक form है. ठीक है. ठीक है? जिसमें deep house music होता है, इसमें trap music होता है, and then it's, one twenty eight BPM. Is there like a, like an example of trap music? Skull X के जो गाने हैं, they're mostly trap, ठीक है. अच्छा ठीक हो गया जिसमें बहुत ज़्यादा मतलब basic words में समझाओ और एक वो एक form of production होती है trap की. ठीक हो गया. और deep house में वो constantly beats चल रही होती है एक melody based track होता है. Right. जो one twenty eight BPM होता है जो जो main EDM होता है, उसमें like, you know, it keeps coming in, the kicks keep coming in, वह drop पर you vibe it to it. Right. Trap is a very different. तो he used to produce that and I used to play it a lot क्योंकि मैं one fifty BPM पर lethal होकर बजाना पसंद करता हूं. जिसने EDM की album बनाई है. अच्छा. ठीक है? It's a very big thing. Like EDM What's it called? It's called O5-one. Like, इस्लाम बात का जो zero-five-one है, O5-one. तो उसमें बहुत like, it's तलानजुम is on the track, समुट super, खुमारियान. हां it's way bigger. Exactly, बहुत सारे artist हैं मैं हूं और मतलब जितने हमारे जो circle में जो हमारे दोस्त हैं XYZ बंदा नहीं काम उसके साथ करो जो आपका दोस्त है. XYZ के साथ नहीं करना चाहिए. मैं honestly believe. XYZ के साथ आप फिर मैं आ गया मैंने कहा हां जी क्या situation है? तो अब मार बैठा हुआ है फ़रासत बैठा हुआ है table पर he is like the one producing में इधर बैठा हूं. कहता है यार यह idea. अब वह idea जो है वह अभी उसका नाम है गोली वह already निकला चुका है. यकीन माने कभी भी नहीं पता था कि अपनी बनाई हुई चीज़, no collaboration, no getting vocals from another artist. इस यह basically आप sample pack buy करते हो vocals का और वह आपकी NTD वन जाती है और आपके rights होते हैं. So, you मतलब internet पर होता. तो वो हमारी चीज़ इतनी hit करगी कि like every party in the industry as well. पहले तो industry तक तो हमारा नाम पहुंचता ही नहीं था. जो छोटे मोटे लोग जानते थे main big fishes की मैं बात करूं. Every big fish in the industry specially for, you know, it's only because of फरासत उसका mind था. Drop पर I helped vocal जो उसकी एक प्यारी सी melody है ना, it's only फरासत. Drop I did. Being very honest क्योंकि किसी का क्या किधर बैठकर मैं बात करूं. मिलकर किया काम लेकिन उसी काम की वजह से आज हमें लोग जानते हैं. Right. जिसके लिए हम जान अपने आप को जिन्माना चाहते थे या जो भी And that's that's trending number one on Spotify. It's number one on Spotify. It's been there number one since, I guess, past two months. Right. तेरा वह ऊपर नीचे on and off होता रहा है. 4,000,000 lessons. Exactly. Total वैसे ज़्यादा होंगी. It's YouTube pits 2,000,000, SoundCloud pits 2,000,000 and I guess almost a million on Spotify. Right right, there's 5,000,000 almost totally. And it's totally organic. It doesn't have a video as well. It's just an audio song on YouTube. Fantastic. Doesn't have anything. So are you guys planning on making a video out of it? Yes, we are now. We are now and it's gonna be very big. It's gonna be very big. चलिए, I look forward to that. I'm gonna switch the conversation a little bit, towards your professional
PUBG career, because that's something very interesting. You're a musician, who's done music for most part of his life now, and you decided to do PUBG. How did that happen?
अच्छा, I've always been a gamer as well. Before music I've been a gamer. ठीक है, वह मैं हम बैठकर computer lab में वह मोहा और कोई counter strike चलती थी? Counter strike चलती थी और specially chord force चलती थी. हम सारे बंग माकर जाते थे. Right. बैठ जाते थे computer lab में, computer lab वाले के साथ दूसरी थी. तो अब game मैंने खेलना छोड़ दी. अभी मेरा recently बहुत पेहतरीन सा scene हुआ था. I got my first international show in Dubai. Right. So, और Ultra Music Fest हो रहा था Dubai में. दोनों चीज़ें एक, ultra basically जाना मैंने ultra के लिए था. So, my management was smart enough. Shout out to Omar as well. मैं बार बार इसलिए shout out दे रहा हूं क्योंकि I just want to tell you guys these guys have been there in my life. Right. So, I cannot मैं उस दिन भी अपनी live आया था. मैं एक बात करता कि आप
जब मेहम सुनते थे EDM तो DJ Snake, King DJ, गतिनेशीन. सही बात है यार मैं मतलब आप सोचे उस music में भी you can feel emotions. Yeah, DJ Snake का मुझे एक mix याद है. मैं आज तक उसको there's only, king of club mix था उसका. Uh-huh. So back in the days when he used to make mixes. हां, ठीक है. वह South Africa में उसने perform किया था. My brother at the time was in South Africa and and he used to DJ back in 2000 and Who will I have a block to me? He's moved to The US now. He's like, सात, नहीं सात आठ साल की बेटी है. He is like, scientist now. But उन्होंने turntables. The reason why I know a lot about, वह वह money भाई की वजह से because वह उस time property agent करते थे. स्नाह बाद में भी करते रहे, लोहोंने भी करते रहे. तो वो South Africa में बड़ा actively जाते होते थे और उन्होंने जाकर ना DJ snake का एक वो live perform कर रहा था वहां पर. ठीक है. तो उसका एक king of club mix आया था volume one, volume two. ठीक है. और वो उन्होंने मुझे लाकर सुनाया वो आज तक मेरा कभी कभार आपका दिल करता है कि मैंने ना वो तीन घंटे का सिर्फ वो mix सुनना है और वो आपको internet में पता नहीं किसी archive.com पर जाकर कहीं पर मिलता है और मैं उसी को play करके screen खोल के मैं सुनता हूं क्योंकि that's where I do understand कि mixing is a different art all together. It's not just कि यार आप चार लोगों के गाने उठा के वो कर रहे हो. It's the vibe that you create from a lot of that and उसमें वो पूरी वो तीन घंटे के अंदर ना flow आता है कि वो आपको उठाता है.
Whenever I listen to him ना अभी तक हमें मौका नहीं मैं खैर बताता हूं क्यों लेकिन जब मैं उसको laptop पर सुनता था ना at the end of the set I used to feel so much. I used to have this tears in my eyes. Don't know why it was just music but वो बहुत emotions हैं. उसके गाने में specially बहुत seen है खैर. तो और इसमें एक और चीज़ add on करूँ कि लोगों को लगता है कि mixing is like you know it's part Pakistan में. वो ऐसे कहेंगे यार अच्छा जाने हो रही हैं तो शिवेही रुक जाएं या ये वो अब तो खैर strictly हम यही करते हैं कि Asia के बाद हम perform करेंगे. कोई बंदा beach में आकर नहीं रोकेगा. I don't care if your phone is lost यार मैं चार गाने एक time पर mix करूं do you think I am pausing या playing? मुश्किल हालाल crazy party, ठीक है? फिर से ऐसा बता दूं कि I don't promote such stuff and I don't do such stuff. I don't mind people doing that. मेरे best friends भी होंगे जो ऐसे होंगे और वह मैं कहता हूं जो नहीं करते चीज़ें से उनसे बहुत बेहतर है. तो यह चीज़ आपको define नहीं करती. मैं सिर्फ़ अपना बता रहा हूं कि मैं नहीं करता. Right. जो के बाद लोग नहीं यकीन करेंगे. खैर, तो मैंने उनको यह कहा कि मैं खैर चला गया. मैं इतनी इतनी level की party करी. कभी क्या करूं? कभी क्या? इस club, उस club. I was listening to every type of music because that was my thing. I couldn't have that in Pakistan. अब ultra जाना है हमने the before यह क्या हो गया? सारा कुछ मेरे ज़ैन में और मैं अब बहुत sad हो गया था. वह भी मैं अकेला दूं भाई में. अभी और exist your international first international Exactly. Trip international trip I went for ultra. I had my other shows as well और मैं sad हो गया. मैंने कहा अब क्या करूं? फिर वही बात याद आ गई. पुत्तर आ रही नहीं माननी कभी. मैंने अब उस चीज़ को बड़ा lighter way मिली है. मैंने कहा यार हो सकता है यार मैं अब COVID उस time कोई serious नहीं लेता था. लेकिन शुरू से मैं COVID serious इसलिए ले रहा हूं and please guys get yourself vaccinated. आप लोग नहीं करोगे, scene नहीं खुलेंगे, हम उधर ही फंसे रहेंगे and it has affected artist a lot. हम काम ही नहीं कर पा रहे हैं. यह बात है. खैर, तो मैंने उसके बाद थोड़ी सी Instagram पर आया. मैंने story बनाई. मैंने कहा यार हो जाता है ऐसे और कोई बात नहीं. मैं अपने आप को असल में दिलाते दे रहा था, story में बात करके मैं कहा हो जाता है, कोई बात नहीं. And I had more days I could have stayed a bit long. The next thing I did was Get the first flight. Get the first flight and got back to Pakistan. And since then it's been very तो चार पांच shows बजाएं एक कराची में. मतलब थोड़ा जैसे COVID easy होता है ना हमें calls आती हैं दो तीन. में खेलते हैं फिर से खेलना start किया and at that moment like Khan is one of the best players of South Asia and he is my very good friend वह हम university में इकट्ठे पड़े. तो उससे मुझे कहा यार तू अगर time ज़्यादा competitive तो फिर हमने मैंने game खेलना शुरू कर दी. लेकिन वह मैं इतना addictive तो नहीं कहूंगा लेकिन इतना वह मैं into हो गया ना क्योंकि e sports का बहुत ज़्यादा biggest industry is e sports. Hollywood से ऊपर भी e sports आती है. He is in Islamabad and he has done so many, you know, like, बड़ा fit outspoken है. He'll definitely explain everything. So basically what I am in PUBG is एक तो मेरी अपनी skill ability है लेकिन अगर खान की guidance ना होती ना you know give out. Interesting interesting. यार इनकी they're very अच्छा क्योंकि पब्जी ban हुई थी and I was the first one to make the video of आंबैंन बड़ी एक moment हमने कोशिश की चलाने की. I was in interview with द्विकार ज़का as well उसने बड़ी एक बात है जैसा भी है लड़का तगड़ा है, काम कर जाता. उसने बड़ा किया तो PUBG ने अपना एक अपना lawyer भेजा Indonesia से. उन्होंने lawyer भेजा जिसने Pakistan में case लड़ा वह जीता. इन्होंने इधर भी hire किया. तो जब case जीता मुझे एक अच्छी बात लगी Pakistan government की कि उन्होंने उनको ठीक बात की. उन्होंने कहा कि यार आप लोग इतना कमा रहे हो हमसे. At least make an office. Make us official. You're running so much and then they did they made PUBG Mobile Pakistan official. फिर अब जब casting हो रही होती है proper मतलब आप समझ रहे हैं साहब. अब advertising भी उससे श्वेबख्तर आ गया ज़रूर उस दिन मैंने देखा है. हाँ exactly. अब वो श्वेबख्तर की team में खान खेल रहा था. खान and श्वेबख्तर were in the same team. अच्छा अच्छा अच्छा interesting. Who is the best team in Pakistan? It's definitely खान's team. Definitely team कोइर्टी and you can say second best because अब वो सारे कहेंगे खान मेरा दोस्त है इसलिए उसकी तारीफें करो लेकिन ऐसा नहीं है. Again competitive gaming अब ये एक और rabbit industry है जिसके ऊपर नीचे आके लोगों ने कहा नहीं जो कराती है उससे आप जाते हो pro league में. Pro league होती है South Asia में. फिर pro league से आप pro league asia में जाते हो. Pro league asia से आप world league में जाते हो, world league से आप global championship में जाते हो, ठीक है? ठीक है. यह बहुत एक बड़ा procedure जाता है इसका. PMCO winners team qwerty. PUBG Mobile national championship winners, team quality. PUBG Mobile campus championship winners, team quality. Team quality के साथ खान. क्योंकि इसके teammates change होते रहे but खान की team same रही है. खान, रहमान, वुलव्रियार the same. दो तीन ऊपर नीचे होते रहते हैं. Right. PMCO नहीं, PUBG Mobile कौन सा tournament था? वह एक करोड़ वाले का नाम है भूल गया हूं. National championship मैंने बता दिया. एक और tournament था. I forgot, उसके nations में भूल गया हूं. वह जितने national tournaments हैं ना,
तोषी भाई क्योंकि आपका तोषी है so I'm gonna, मुझे इनका actual नाम पता है by the way just try, just put it in a
तोषी भाई thank you so much for being part of the show. We're at the one hour mark. Normally I try to cut it off. I know, you know, we have a very good flow going on. It's what I Definitely. बहुत मज़ा आया है. But sir, मैं podcast में बड़ा वह होकर बात करता हूं, नहीं हुआ. लेकिन हमने वह आप लेकर अच्छी इतना चले हो. मेरा भी दिल था कि मैं करूं बाद, मैं चाहता हूं क्योंकि आप always
so much and for you as well. Good luck with the music, good luck with the PUBG. I I am excited to see कि आप EDM industry साथ क्या करते हैं. इंशालाह जो भी करेंगे, अच्छा करेंगे, everyone will should will and इंशालाह will feel proud. चलिए, ज़बरदस्त thank you so much for all of you guys. You so much for watching. अगर आपकी conversation पसंद आई हो, अगर आपको तोशी की भाई, तोशी भाई की बात से, कोई एक तैलाफ हो या आप उससे agree करते हैं, comment section में आकर हमें बताएं. Cancel ना करिएगा. एक छोटी सी request. अगर कोई बात आपको left right लगी हो, but separately do let us know in the comment section if you think that we should have another conversation because I feel like there is a lot to talk about. Do let me know what we should talk about and whether toshi भाई should come here, again. But anyways, you know, YouTube पर देखने वाले हैं. Like करें दबाएंगे, engagement बढ़ेगी दोनों तक हमें conversation पहुंचेगी. Left right side के ऊपर easy पैसा jazz कैसा आ रहा होगा. You can support the podcast. We take anything from 1 rupee to as much as you'd like to give us.
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