Faisal Aftab

venture investor and founder of Zayn.VC

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Faisal Aftab is a Pakistani American venture investor and the founder, CEO and general partner of Zayn.VC. He has been described as having a 25-year career as an executive, entrepreneur and venture investor. He is one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan, the local edition of the popular television programme. According to a published description, his portfolio companies have raised over $500 million in debt and equity funding.

Early life and background

Aftab was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, in a military hospital, and comes from a military family. His father was a civil engineer. His father took a sabbatical from the military to do a PhD at UC Berkeley. Aftab says his father was behind several large projects in Pakistan and is his main source of inspiration. [4]

He lived in Pakistan, including Karachi, until about the age of six or seven. He grew up mostly in Berkeley, California, and says he lived in the US for most of his life before he moved. He finished high school in Pakistan and attended a military school. Aftab says attending the military school gave him exposure to the grit of Pakistan, and that the military is the actual melting pot in the country. [3][4]

Education

Aftab studied at Michigan State University. He took a five-year honors program that combined a bachelor's and a master's degree, and he graduated in 2000. He holds a master of science in MIS and a master's in professional accounting. [4]

His father wanted him to become a civil engineer. Aftab switched his major from engineering to business, and says most of his friends were in the business school at the time. During a summer internship at a Big Four firm, he realized he did not like financial audit work. After the internship he decided to also take management information systems. He studied finance and economics. He also studied calculus in college and says he has never used it, and he has said he could do what he does today without 12 years of school and four years of college. [1][2][4]

Early career in New York

After graduating, Aftab took a consulting job offer from Deloitte Consulting and moved to New York. He says he wanted to move to New York at the time. He worked at Deloitte for about five or six years. His clients included Blackstone Group and JP Morgan. He says his consulting work was largely technology-oriented and included the back-end systems of the New York Stock Exchange. [4]

In 2006 he moved to National Financial Partners, where he did corporate M&A and operational restructuring. He was in New York during the 2008 global financial crisis. [2][4]

Entrepreneurship

In 2006, while still working, Aftab started a side business. He saw demand among viewers in the West for Pakistani television channels. He later joined a company founded by someone else and became one of its executives to scale it. He proposed creating a content company that would acquire content rights, and says content rights were secured for Indian, Afghan, Pakistani and Persian content. [4]

Aftab says he went entrepreneurial in 2012, and that he then moved into making technology investments himself. He says he got into a rabbit hole of economics merged with technology, Bitcoin and Ethereum. [4]

Venture investing

Aftab created one of Pakistan's first institutional venture capital firms. He says he started investing in 2018. For his first fund he invested in an edtech company, which he says is still around but did not scale to expectations. He does not think edtech is ripe in Pakistan. He has chosen to focus his investing on B2B, B2C and fintech. [4]

His fund invests through holding companies because its investors will not allow direct investment in Pakistani operating companies. He says regulators allowed investors to create holding companies for startups, since startups lack physical assets. He describes his venture capital fund as institutional, with international investors, and says he invests at the greenfield stage so that he can set a company's ethos from the first cheque. [2][3][4]

Aftab says he has backed individuals from Bookme and PostEx, and that five deals, including Krave Mart, PostEx and Bookme, have raised money. He says most of the companies he invested in during 2021 are doing well. He says the founders he backed had little capital of their own but high intellect, capability and resilience, and that he never invested at a valuation cap higher than about 6 million dollars. [3]

He says he turned negative on Pakistan's startup ecosystem in early 2022. In March 2022 he advised portfolio companies to expect a tough couple of years, and to raise what they could and then conserve capital. He says the sentiment bottom in Pakistan's market was April to June 2023. [3]

Aftab says he lobbies for venture capital in Pakistan for a better tax environment. He describes himself as patient capital because he is older and has been able to accumulate some assets, and says he analysed his own investments in Pakistan. He has said his aim is to back founders who could build four or five unicorns from Pakistan. [1][2]

Shark Tank Pakistan

Sony and its local production team approached Aftab around the tail end of 2023. He was worried about the quality of the programme's production, and became more confident after seeing its vision and set plans. He says his team carries out due diligence after the programme ends, and that the numbers in pitches often do not add up in due diligence. He says far more pitches are filmed than make it to air. [2]

Aftab says one of his deals was with a single mother. He says she sold about a thousand bottles of hair oil from her native village. [2]

Views

Aftab has said he did not leave Pakistan because he hated the country, and that he left because he felt he had no further growth there. He counts himself among the educated Pakistanis who have left. He has said people that leave the country are eventually an asset, and that there is nothing wrong with younger Pakistanis leaving. He says he is very bullish on Pakistan, and not only because he invests there. He says Pakistan is not a poor country, that it has as many smart people as India, and that Pakistanis abroad do well when they are put in a fair system and given a fair chance. [1][2][3][4]

He argues that bringing the hidden economy online would fix Pakistan's macro numbers, and says a lot of Pakistan's underlying economy is undocumented. He says Pakistan could accelerate its economic growth by demonetizing, and that its economy could grow from about $350 billion to a trillion as it digitizes over ten years. He has said India captured much of its informal economy, which helped its GDP figures. He says Pakistan's digital payment adoption is one of the fastest in the world and expects QR codes to become the standard as the State Bank standardizes them. He argues that bribery becomes impossible once money is digital. [1][2][3][4]

On money, Aftab says the current monetary system dates from 1971, when the dollar was delinked from gold, and that he began studying economic cycles after the 2008 financial crisis. He describes the current monetary system as debt-based and says it went insolvent in 2008. He has said the dollar is debasing at about 10% a year and that debasement should be people's primary concern. He describes Bitcoin as digital gold, and says digital payments are not only about cryptocurrency, which he calls an asset offering. He has predicted a settlement and a new digital monetary system within five to seven years. [1][2][3][4]

On technology, he has said AI can do most logic-based white-collar work and expects accountants and lawyers to be disrupted rapidly in the next 5 to 10 years. He says he leans toward the negative side on AI, that in one outcome human beings become somewhat irrelevant, and that people who do not use AI will be left behind. He has said the next phase of AI is expected to start around 2030 and will be very disruptive. He has also questioned whether K-12 schooling was built for the industrial age to produce workers, and says the industrial age education system is becoming irrelevant. [1][2][4]

On geopolitics, Aftab has said Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia could form a potential block, and that Pakistan could be a kingmaker in the China, Russia and US negotiations. He says the China-US rivalry is existential for Pakistan and that Asia will be the growth engine of the world going forward. He says authoritarian systems can work if the population feels it has agency, and that purely authoritarian models do not work in diverse countries like Pakistan without popular buy-in. He describes himself as apolitical and says he thinks politics is an illusion. [1]

Aftab has written an article for the Express Tribune about Pakistan in 2040, which he says discusses municipal governance run with AI and technology. [1]

Personal life

Aftab has described himself as a Pakistani American. He later met his wife in New York. He says he shows his children how to use ChatGPT under supervision, and that Gen Alpha children are digital natives who will innovate in this world. [1][2][4]

Timeline

2000
Graduated from Michigan State University after a five-year program.[4]
2006
Moved to National Financial Partners and started a side business while still working.[4]
2012
Went entrepreneurial, by his own account.[4]
2018
Started investing, by his own account.[4]
2022
Advised portfolio companies in March to expect a tough couple of years.[3]
2023
Approached by Sony and its local production team around the tail end of the year.[2]

Appearances

DateTitleWhere
2026-04-09 Pakistan as a middle power in the new world order Thought Behind Things
2024-12-19 Faisal Aftab: the 1971 system is over, and Pakistan is mispriced Thought Behind Things
2023-11-15 Why smart money came into Pakistani startups when everyone left Thought Behind Things
2023-05-19 Is America a diminishing power? Thought Behind Things

Frequently asked questions

Who is Faisal Aftab?

Faisal Aftab is a Pakistani American venture investor. He is the founder, CEO and general partner of Zayn.VC, and has been described as having a 25-year career as an executive, entrepreneur and venture investor. He is also one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan.[2]

What does Faisal Aftab do?

Faisal Aftab is a venture investor and entrepreneur who is the founder, CEO and general partner of Zayn.VC. He has chosen to focus his investing on B2B, B2C and fintech. He is also one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan.[2][4]

Where did Faisal Aftab study?

Faisal Aftab studied at Michigan State University, where he took a five-year honors program combining a bachelor's and a master's degree and graduated in 2000. He holds a master of science in MIS and a master's in professional accounting.[4]

Where is Faisal Aftab from?

Faisal Aftab was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, in a military hospital. He grew up mostly in Berkeley, California, and has described himself as a Pakistani American.[1][4]

What company did Faisal Aftab found?

Faisal Aftab is the founder, CEO and general partner of Zayn.VC. According to a published description, its portfolio companies have raised over $500 million in debt and equity funding.[2]

What is Faisal Aftab known for?

Faisal Aftab is known as a venture investor and the founder of Zayn.VC. He is also one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan, the local edition of the popular television programme.[2]

Is Faisal Aftab a Shark on Shark Tank Pakistan?

Yes. Faisal Aftab is one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan. He says Sony and its local production team approached him around the tail end of 2023.[2]

Did Faisal Aftab work at Deloitte?

Yes. After graduating, Faisal Aftab took a consulting job offer from Deloitte Consulting and moved to New York, and he worked at Deloitte for about five or six years. His clients included Blackstone Group and JP Morgan.[4]

References

  1. Pakistan as a middle power in the new world order . Thought Behind Things , 2026-04-09.
  2. Faisal Aftab: the 1971 system is over, and Pakistan is mispriced . Thought Behind Things , 2024-12-19.
  3. Why smart money came into Pakistani startups when everyone left . Thought Behind Things , 2023-11-15.
  4. Is America a diminishing power? . Thought Behind Things , 2023-05-19.
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  1. Faisal has described himself as a Pakistani American. I don't vote vote in the US either, right? Being a Pakistani American.
  2. Faisal has said he studied calculus and does not use it today. I studied calculus. I could not even solve I I couldn't even use calculus today in my in my life, right?
  3. Faisal has said he could do what he does today without 12 years of school and four years of college. I don't need to spend 12 years in a classroom and another four years in college to literally do what I do today.
  4. Faisal has described Sky 47 as a sovereign cloud. Sky 47 is the sovereign cloud.
  5. Faisal has said he analysed his own investments in Pakistan. I was doing an analysis for my own investments in Pakistan.
  6. Faisal has said he lobbies for venture capital in Pakistan for a better tax environment. even I go and try to lobby for VC and say, hey, give us better, uh, you know, give us better tax, uh, uh, better tax environment, right? For returns.
  7. Faisal has said he is patient capital because he is older and has been able to accumulate some assets. Um, I think I I'm patient capital because I'm comfortable, right? Uh, and I'm also older. So I had the I had the ability to accumulate some level of assets, right?
  8. Faisal has said he did not leave Pakistan because he hated the country. I did not leave with the idea that I hate this country and this is, you know, this is it's terrible.
  9. Faisal has said he left Pakistan because he felt he had no further growth there. I just felt like my there was no further growth for me.
  10. Faisal has said he is one of the educated Pakistanis who have left the country. any educated, productive, smart Pakistani has been leaving, including myself.
  11. Faisal has said he is very bullish on Pakistan. I'm I'm actually very bullish on Pakistan.
  12. Faisal has argued that bringing the hidden economy online would fix Pakistan's macro numbers. once that black economy comes online, by default your all your macro numbers get fixed
  13. Faisal has said crypto is a backend element of the coming digital payments shift. Crypto is just a backend element of that. It will probably be a digital rupee and iterations of that.
  14. Faisal has said digital payments are not only about cryptocurrency, which he calls an asset offering. Again, when I say digital payments, I'm not just talking about cryptocurrencies, that's just an asset offering, right? That's different.
  15. Faisal has said India captured much of its informal economy, which helped its GDP figures. India has captured a lot of its informal economy and they only look good because they've managed to do that.
  16. Faisal has said Pakistan does not reinvest its fiscal space properly. We don't actually reinvest it properly.
  17. Faisal has said political movements emerged when Pakistan started growing and left IMF programmes. The second you started achieving growth and you got off the lender programs, IMF programs, you suddenly had political movements that started
  18. Faisal has said Pakistan's core problem is constant fiscal imbalance. Our issue is constantly fiscal imbalance, right?
  19. Faisal has said the NFC award weakened Pakistan's federation. the NFC award in Pakistan weakened the federation.
  20. Faisal has said Pakistan's federation has to get stronger because of its ethnic divides. So, federation has to get stronger in these countries because of the ethnic divide
  21. Faisal has said a politician cannot rule Pakistan without accumulating power, even one who wants to be democratic. Even if your intent is to be democratic, you can't rule without accumulating power.
  22. Faisal has predicted the federation will strengthen through a merger of the military and financial industrial complexes. I think the federation is going to get stronger through the military industrial complex merging with the financial industrial complex.
  23. Faisal has written an article for the Express Tribune about Pakistan in 2040. I wrote an article by the way, it's in the Express Tribune, it says Pakistan in 2040.
  24. Faisal has predicted that fewer humans will be involved in governance within about 15 years. Again, not tomorrow, but I think we'd agree let's say even 15 years from now, right? That there'll be less humans involved in the governance
  25. Faisal has said digital enforcement is going to change things for the first time. So this is the first time digital enforcement, which is coming, is going to change things, right?
  26. Faisal has said his Pakistan 2040 article discusses municipal governance run with AI and technology. So in that article that I mentioned earlier, Pakistan in 2040, I do talk about these things like for example, municipalities and being governed and managed, leveraging AI and technology
  27. Faisal has said that in a digital system, people will either be inside it or outside it. It's just when you go digital, it'll be two systems. Either you're part of the digital system or you're out of it
  28. Faisal has said gray areas will eventually close because it is in the interest of the state. So these gray areas eventually will close because it's the interest of the state
  29. Faisal has said financial transactions reveal more about an individual than anything else. Look, your financial transactions tell you more data about an individual than anything else.
  30. Faisal has said that with fully digital payments, GDP could be calculated for each household in real time. you can calculate the GDP down to a household in real time if you're everything is digital in its format
  31. Faisal has predicted stablecoin integration will become mandatory in multiple countries, led by the US. Stable coins integration is going to become mandatory by the US into multiple countries because that's going to be their new flow.
  32. Faisal has said he expects digital formats to accelerate after 2027, when the next crisis hits. I think you can start to see an acceleration in after 2027. When the next crisis happens, the solution that we talked about is going to be basically digital format
  33. Faisal has predicted a settlement and a new digital monetary system within five to seven years. I think over the next five to seven years, we'll have a settlement and a new digital monetary system that everybody agrees on.
  34. Faisal has said growth will emerge from the current upheaval. So I think from these ashes will emerge growth.
  35. Faisal has said he expects heavy inflation in the West during the 2030s if current plans fail. but we will see heavy inflation in 2030s in the West as well if they can't pull off what they're trying to do
  36. Faisal has said Pakistan, Turkey and Saudi Arabia could form a potential block. So then basically Pakistan, Turkey, and Saudi could create a potential block
  37. Faisal has said Pakistan is negotiating with China, the US and the Gulf States. Similarly, Pakistan is negotiating on both sides, China and the US, uh, and the Gulf States, right?
  38. Faisal has said he believes Pakistan will eventually have to take a side. I personally believe and I'm hearing a lot from academics and otherwise, people saying, you know, Pakistan will have to take a side.
  39. Faisal has said Pakistan could be a kingmaker in the China, Russia and US negotiations. So let's say Pakistan and uh a lot of these type of countries will be the some of the kingmakers in the China, Russia and US negotiations of the new world order.
  40. Faisal has said the China-US rivalry is existential for Pakistan. China and US is existential for Pakistan.
  41. Faisal has said Asia will be the growth engine of the world going forward. Where we're going to be the the growth engine of the world going forward when I say all of Asia
  42. Faisal has said 25 to 30 million Pakistanis have higher purchasing power than the rest of the population. there's 30 million at least 25 to 30 million people that have a higher GDP purchasing power than the rest of the population
  43. Faisal has said standardization takes away opportunities. I hate standardization because first of all, standardization takes away a lot of opportunities, right?
  44. Faisal has said he thinks politics is an illusion. I personally think politics is an illusion, but let's say Democrats and Republican there, right?
  45. Faisal has described himself as apolitical. I'm not I'm apolitical, so I don't take political sides.
  46. Faisal has said the military is the largest representation of the state in Pakistan. The military is the people. It's actually the largest representation of the entire state, right?
  47. Faisal has said Pakistan is not a poor country. This is not a poor country, man.
  48. Faisal has said Pakistan has been unable to turn its security success into economic success. It's just that we've been unable to convert that security success into economic success.
  49. Faisal has said authoritarian systems can work if the population feels it has agency. You can have authoritarian systems as long as the population feels like they have agency in the system.
  50. Faisal has said purely authoritarian models do not work in diverse countries like Pakistan without popular buy-in. purely authoritarian models don't work if you do not have buy-in of the population
  51. Faisal has said authoritarianism works easily in China because it is a homogeneous society. With the Chinese model, they they're a homogeneous society and therefore that sort of authoritarianism works very, very easily
  52. Faisal has argued that an authoritarian institution acting as a wild card can limit crony capitalists. authoritarianism or the system where some institution can act as a wild card tends to allow for less involvement of the crony capitalists
  53. Faisal has said he thinks Bitcoin is designed to disrupt sentiment around gold. I do think Bitcoin is designed to disrupt the sentiment of gold, so it's not as if I think it's some amazing uh thing
  54. Faisal has said people hold gold because it is untraceable, and that Bitcoin is the traceable version. because it is an untraceable asset. Um, and Bitcoin is the traceable version.
  55. Faisal has said AI can do most logic-based white-collar work. workers may not have jobs because anything logic-based is an AI can do, right? Which is mostly the white collar jobs.
  56. Faisal has questioned whether K-12 schooling was built for the industrial age to produce workers. what if the K through 12 was designed for the industrial age where you needed to produce workers and not thinkers
  57. Faisal has said AI could remove the language barrier so that more people can communicate. So what happens when leveraging AI, you're able to communicate now and language barrier goes away.
  58. Faisal has said people that leave the country are eventually an asset. people that leave the country are eventually an asset, right?
  59. Faisal has said there is nothing wrong with younger Pakistanis leaving the country. Look, if you're younger, there's nothing wrong with leaving.
  60. Faisal has said some business elites are documented, pay their taxes and play by the rules. there's certain elite within the business community that are very much documented, paying all their taxes
  61. Faisal has said he expects a 100-year cycle, and the last one came in 1945. And this is a 100-year cycle, right? This came last time in 1945.
  62. Faisal has said he is obsessed with Claude and open claw. I'm obsessed with with Claude and open claw obviously is open AI is acquired them, but it's uh it's insane.
  63. Faisal has said he subscribes to Simon Dixon's model of the US resource strategy. And what you mentioned specifically about Simon Dixon, I actually subscribe to that entire model as well.
  64. Faisal has described central-bank stablecoin integration as a settlement system that upgrades SWIFT. I'm talking about integrations of basically stable coins at the Central Bank layer in Rast, right? That's just a settlement system, an upgradation of Swift.
  65. Faisal Aftab is a Pakistani American with a 25-year career as an executive, entrepreneur and venture investor. Faisal Aftab is a Pakistani American with an impressive 25-year executive, entrepreneur, and venture investor career.
  66. He is one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan, the local edition of the popular TV show. He is also one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan, the local edition of the popular TV show.
  67. He is the Founder, CEO and General Partner at Zayn.VC. Faisal is the Founder, CEO, and General Partner at Zayn.VC
  68. According to the episode description, his portfolio companies have raised over $500 million in debt and equity funding. his portfolio companies have raised over $500 million in debt and equity funding
  69. Sony and its local production team approached him around the tail end of 2023. Jab mujhe Sony aur unki local production team ne approach kiya tha around I think tail end of 2023
  70. He was worried about the quality of the show's production. I was worried about the quality of the production
  71. He became more confident after seeing the show's vision and set plans. when I saw the vision, then when I saw some of the schemas of the set and what what the action plans were, I got more confident
  72. He last watched Shark Tank in the United States. Maine last time I watched Shark Tank was in the US.
  73. He said Pakistan's traditional brick and mortar economy is going through a deflationary event. aapki economy jo hamari hai woh ek deflationary event se ja rahi hai jo traditional economy hai brick and mortar
  74. He said many Pakistanis became entrepreneurs over the last five years. Toh ek har banda ek tareeqe se entrepreneur ban hi gaya hai over the last five years
  75. He said everyone will have to become an entrepreneur to survive. toh basically I think har bande ko entrepreneur banna hi padega to survive
  76. He said far more pitches are filmed than make it to air. Jo pitches bhi thin jo air hui hain usse bahut zyada pitches shoot hui thin.
  77. He said his team carries out due diligence after the show ends. After the show ends uske baad phir obviously humne jaake due diligence karni hai
  78. He said the numbers in pitches often do not add up in due diligence. uske baad jab aap jaake due diligence karte hain total addressable market ki bahut se factors ki toh woh numbers add up nahi karte
  79. He said that if the FBR comes after a business, the business has probably kept its affairs out of the books. And so if the if FBR is coming in that's probably because you've kept your business out of the books
  80. He said he does not think the FBR has time to harass small businesses. And I don't think FBR ke paas itna time hai ke woh in chote bacchon ko aake harass karein
  81. He said early-stage businesses should be judged differently from mid-size companies. you have to look at these companies very different from the mid-size companies
  82. He said Pakistani businesses struggle to scale because everybody prefers to stay under the radar. Pakistan mein hum is wajah se scale nahi kar paate because everybody wants to live under the radar
  83. He said that when he looked at the local market he saw that listed companies often trade below book value. the reason was ke jab main aake maine local market ko dekha toh maine dekha ke jo yahan ki stock market ya equity market hai wahan pe aksar companies book value se below trade kar rahi hain
  84. He said he invests at the greenfield stage so that he can set a company's ethos from the first cheque. So I realized ke greenfield, yani ke pehla check early stage ethos aap set karein
  85. He said one of his deals was with a single mother. I did a deal I did it was a single mother
  86. He said the single mother in that deal sold about a thousand bottles of hair oil from her native village. she sold about a thousand bottles of this hair oil from her native village
  87. He said he was based in Dubai at the time of recording. Main is waqt Dubai mein baitha hua hoon
  88. He said his father grew up when the rupee was relatively stable against the dollar. he grew up in a time when the rupee was pretty stable against the dollar relatively
  89. He said he shows his children how to use ChatGPT under supervision. I'm showing them how to leverage uh ChatGPT with supervision
  90. He said Gen Alpha children are digital natives who will innovate in this world. Yeh digital natives hain, they will be innovating in this world.
  91. He said the next phase of AI is expected to start around 2030 and will be very disruptive. which I think it will start to come in 2030 onwards, that's going to be the really, really disruptive phase
  92. He said AI adoption will take 6 to 10 years, and developed markets have about six years. I think this is a 6 to 10-year adoption. If you're in the developed world, you probably have 6 years.
  93. He said there are five to six years left to figure this out. I think there's only six, five to six years left for all of us to figure this out
  94. He said many paralegal and junior lawyer roles may disappear because of efficiency gains. a lot of the paralegals and junior lawyers may not exist because the efficiency is there
  95. He studied finance and economics. I studied finance, I studied economics.
  96. He studied calculus in college and says he has never used it. maine calculus padhi thi college mein. I don't think I've ever used that calculus.
  97. He said the industrial age education system is becoming irrelevant. ab wo education mere khayal se aahista aahista irrelevant hoti ja rahi hai
  98. He said some students who got B or C grades become better entrepreneurs. some of the people that were B grade students or C grade students in school turn out to be the better entrepreneurs
  99. He pointed to the UAE and Saudi Arabia as models Pakistan could learn from. Look at what the UAE has done. Look at what Saudi is doing
  100. He said he believes in small government. I believe in small government
  101. He said data should be made free rather than taxed. Data ko aap balki muft ka kar dein rather than us pe tax lagana
  102. He said he would encourage tablets so that people can learn and innovate on their own. I would in fact encourage tablets and let them learn and innovate on their own
  103. He said the dollar is debasing at about 10% a year. dollar is debasing 10 saal uh debasing as in devaluing at a rate of 10% a year
  104. He said the monetary system that began in 1971 ended around 2020. Woh system jo basically 1971 mein shuru hua tha woh 2020 mein end ho gaya hai.
  105. He said the dollar was delinked from gold in 1971. Woh system 71 mein 1971 mein end ho gaya tha. Right. Jab dollar depeg ho gaya tha gold se.
  106. He said the US had to raise interest rates to 18% to restore confidence. Unko jaake 18% pe leke jaana pada tha to restore confidence
  107. He describes Bitcoin as digital gold. Similarly Bitcoin, which is digital gold
  108. He said gold was about $200 an ounce in 2000 and is now about $2,500. main 2000 aapko year 2000 ka gold bata deta hoon. $200 per ounce tha gold, aaj woh pada hua hai $2500 pe
  109. He said the world has moved from industrial empires to digital empires. we've graduated from the industrial empires to the digital empires
  110. He said the world now has an American digital empire and a Chinese digital empire. it's really the American digital empire and the Chinese digital empire and then rest are just alliances
  111. He said Europe never had a main platform and has lost the game. Europe never had a main platform, so Europe that's why it's lost the game
  112. He said Pakistan should have been a middle power and did not play its cards well. ideally, Pakistan should have been a middle power. We didn't play our cards well
  113. He said Saudi Arabia is emerging as the primary middle power. jisme Saudi is emerging as the primary middle power
  114. He said about half a billion people live in the Middle East, North Africa and Pakistan. collectively half a billion people live in Middle East, North Africa and Pakistan
  115. He said that population is roughly 8.6% of world GDP. that half a billion people today is roughly 8.6% of the world GDP
  116. He said Pakistan is about a 10-year lag behind India. Hum we are about a 10 year lag effect from India.
  117. He said China has grown more equitably than India. China has grown much more equitably, right?
  118. He said at least 50 to 60% of Pakistan's population leaves a digital footprint. at least 50 to 60% population ek digital footprint leave kar rahi hai
  119. He said a lot of Pakistan's underlying economy is undocumented. a lot of the underlying economy is undocumented
  120. He said Pakistan's economy could grow from about $350 billion to a trillion as it digitizes over ten years. agar hum 350 billion se let's say over the next 10 years jaise jaise digitize ho jaata hai, hum trillion pe pahunch jaate hain
  121. He said most of Huawei's factory is automated. if you look at Huawei's factory, most of it's automated
  122. He said logic-based jobs such as accounting face disruption. any logic based jobs, let's take, you know, I'm graduating from college and I want to go work in accounting firm
  123. He said he leans toward the negative side on AI. I lean on the negative side of AI
  124. He said that in one outcome, human beings become somewhat irrelevant. Then human beings become somewhat irrelevant.
  125. He said humanity is for the first time creating an intelligence that will be smarter than people. we've for the first time are creating an intelligence that is going to be smarter than us
  126. He said people who do not use AI will be left behind. People that don't use it, they'll just be left behind
  127. He said he works by understanding the whole structure before acting. So the way I always operate is I can't do it unless I understand the whole structure
  128. He said his venture capital fund is institutional and has international investors. Jo mera venture capital fund hai wo to institutional, it's got international investors
  129. He said his aim is to back founders who could build four or five unicorns from Pakistan. my objective is ki agar main yahan se let's say between three four funds main idhar se char paanch unicorns nikal doon
  130. He said he looks for opportunity rather than complaining about government. I operate rather than complaining, I look for opportunity
  131. He said central banks and money, not governments, hold the real power. the central banks and the money is where the power is
  132. He said government policy can sway things but cannot change them. government policy can sway things but they can't change things
  133. He argued that systems, not individual actors, have usually changed history. it wasn't actors that changed or evolved systems
  134. He said the present resembles the period close to 1939. we're living in a very similar time close to 1939
  135. He said Pakistan's digital payment adoption is one of the fastest in the world. digital payment adoption is one of the fastest in the world
  136. He said nobody gets rich from a job unless they are corrupt. nobody ever got rich doing a job unless you're corrupt
  137. He said debasement should be people's primary concern. And debasement it should be your primary concern
  138. He said 4 to 5 million people join Pakistan's workforce every year. Pakistan mein 4 se 5 million banda workforce pe aa raha hai har saal
  139. He expects the most AI impact on lawyers, accountants and doctors at the OPD level. especially main main again main identify kar raha hoon lawyers, accountants, doctors at the OPD level
  140. He said education built for the industrial age trains people for jobs that will not exist. using the industrial age education system to think you're going to get ahead, you're being trained for jobs that won't exist
  141. He said he does not see anyone who can think outside the box. I don't see anyone that can think outside the box
  142. He said the nation-state is under question because loyalty runs through kinship and tribe. the nation-state itself is under question because yahan pe biradari hai ya tribe hai
  143. He said the military is the only institution thinking about the country's largest middle class. the only institution that's thinking about that is the military, as the largest middle class in this country
  144. He said corruption exists at both the top and the bottom of society. corruption yahan pe bottom mein bhi hai aur top mein bhi hai
  145. He said Pakistan declined as a society before it had risen as a middle power. Hum woh rise karne se pehle hi devolve kar gaye hain
  146. He said Pakistan has as many smart people as India. We have just as many smart people as India.
  147. He said India was in the same mess in 1990. And India was in the same mess in 1990
  148. He said Pakistan's structural reforms are going to take a decade. that is going to require a decade to fix
  149. He said he travels often to the Gulf states and that they have positioned themselves for change. I travel a lot to the Gulf states, they've switched on. They know exactly kya changes aa rahi hain duniya mein. They've positioned themselves.
  150. He said Pakistan's top leaders treat technology as the IT department's email server. they think technology is woh jo IT wala banda email ka server chalata hai
  151. He said bureaucracy is often politically aligned. Bureaucracy aksar politically aligned hai
  152. He said he feels the will to change exists within the establishment. I actually, because I interact directly and indirectly, um, I feel the will is there
  153. He said he can only advise individuals and is not a national planner. I can only advise individuals, right? I'm not a national planner
  154. He said he has taught his friends about debasement. I've taught them about debasement
  155. He said he guides his founders and younger people on the coming changes. I try to guide them on the coming changes
  156. He said Pakistan's leaders are not aware of what to do as a state. the entire, uh, people at the helm of affairs, I think they themselves are not aware of what to do
  157. He said the feeling is that the targets set by government are short-term. Nahi, mujhe to yahi feeling aa rahi hai ke short-term targets hain
  158. He said the monetary cycle that started in 1971 is near its end. I think we're at the tail end of this monetary cycle that we started in 1971
  159. He said the US carries about 35 trillion dollars of debt. they're at 35 trillion ke debt pe hain na
  160. He expects a market pullback in 2026 and 2027. I think there's a pull back coming in 26, 27
  161. He said the coming debasement cycle will be very brutal. the debasement in my opinion is going to be very brutal
  162. He said 2025 would be a boom year. Next year, 2025 is a boom.
  163. He said a new world order is expected to come out of 2030 or several years after. We're living in the 1945 world order. Some new world order is coming out of 2030
  164. He was in New York during the 2008 global financial crisis. 2008 ke jo GF global financial crisis hua and I was in the US New York at the time
  165. He said he spends at least half an hour a day on reels. Main bhi kam se kam din mein aadhe aadha ghanta zaya karta hoon reels pe
  166. He said he no longer watches Netflix and listens to podcasts instead. I actually don't even watch Netflix anymore. I listen to podcasts
  167. He said each debasement cycle lasts about 3.5 years. yeh jo 3.5 years ka cycle hai
  168. He is the founder and general partner at Zayn VC. Faisal Aftab is the Founder and GP at Zayn VC.
  169. He says he lived in the US for most of his life before he moved. I've lived in America, in the US, most of my life before I moved, I'm a Pakistani-American.
  170. He says he traveled to Pakistan in 2005. in 2005 I was traveling to Pakistan, all my friends and colleagues at work
  171. He says the market tends to bottom when almost everyone is negative. when typically when everyone around you has gone negative on something, that is usually the time which is the bottom of the market by definition
  172. He says he turned negative on Pakistan's startup ecosystem in early 2022. Yeh main 2022 ki baat kar raha hoon, in around Jan, Feb 2022, I had gone very, very negative on the Pakistan startup ecosystem
  173. He says a $15 million pre-seed valuation cap for a first-time team is illogical. coming up to you and saying that we're raising our pre-seed round at a valuation cap of $15 million, uh, realistically that is illogical.
  174. He says he never invested at a valuation cap higher than about 6 million dollars. I actually never came in at a cap higher than about, uh, 6 million
  175. He says he advised portfolio companies in March 2022 to expect a tough couple of years. A lot of my portfolio companies, I gave them advice early on in March, uh, as early as March 2022, that guys, there's going to be a tough couple of years ahead.
  176. He says he advised portfolio companies to raise what they could and then conserve capital. go go ahead and raise what you can and then conserve the capital
  177. He says the sentiment bottom in Pakistan's market was April to June 2023. That bottom was from April to June 2023, in my opinion.
  178. He says smart money from around the world has backed some of the best companies in Pakistan's ecosystem. the smart money in the world, uh, has basically positioned seeing Pakistan's potential and come in and backed some of the best companies in our ecosystem
  179. He says he has backed individuals from Bookme and PostEx. now when I back someone like let's say Faizan from Bookme, Umar from PostEx
  180. He says the founders he backed had little capital of their own but high intellect, capability and resilience. They didn't have too much capital themselves, but they had high intellect, high capability, high resilience.
  181. He says most of the companies he invested in during 2021 are doing well. most of the companies that I invested in 2021 that are doing well, their top lines would be astonishing for you
  182. He says some companies, about 20 months old, are doing upwards of 300 million dollars in top lines. Some companies that are 20 months old are doing, these are not fake top lines, this is called digital growth, uh, are doing upwards of 300 million dollars of top lines
  183. He says some wallet companies are comfortably touching a billion dollars in transactions. Other ones that are doing wallet adoption are very comfortably touching a billion dollars in transactions
  184. He says he has seen astronomical growth rates at one of the companies he backs. I'm seeing this in NayaPay. The growth rates have been astronomical
  185. He says one of the companies he is most excited about in Pakistan is doing trillions of rupees worth of transactions. one of the most excited companies that I'm bought in Pakistan, they're doing, it, they're doing trillions of rupees worth of transactions
  186. He says five deals, including Krave Mart, PostEx and Bookme, have raised money. I'm talking about everyone from Krave Mart to PostEx to Haball, EduFi, uh, and then obviously Bookme. These are the five deals that have raised
  187. He says the amount coming in was about 50 million dollars in 2020 and 350 million dollars in 2021. getting in, in 2020 we had $50 million, in 2021 $350 million came in.
  188. He says funding fell to about 30 million dollars in the first half of the year. this year is down to like 30 million in the first half
  189. He says investors are now backing people on intellect and capability without asking for collateral, which he calls a first for Pakistan. This is the first time in Pakistan that people are going and making bets on people based on pure intellect and capability without asking for collateral.
  190. He says Pakistanis abroad do well when they are put in a fair system and given a fair chance. when you see Pakistanis abroad, when they're put in a fair system and given a fair chance, we do really well.
  191. He says Pakistan is a better market than Indonesia and Malaysia. they were investing in markets like Indonesia, Malaysia, which are good markets, but I still think Pakistan's a better market.
  192. He says the State Bank, the SECP and other regulators have been generous to the startup industry. the State Bank and the SECP and the regulators have been actually really generous for the startup industry
  193. He says regulators allowed investors to create holding companies for startups, since startups lack physical assets. They agreed to allow us to create holdcos for the companies that we invest in because our issue was that we don't have property, plant, and equipment.
  194. He says corporate investors are needed in startups but should come in at a later stage. In my opinion, those guys are needed, but they should be coming in more at the later stage
  195. He says investing in early-stage companies is a very different game for corporates. but going into early-stage companies is a total different game.
  196. He says Pakistan could accelerate its economic growth by demonetizing. We are comfortably, if we demonetize, we would accelerate that process.
  197. He says the digital adoption rate of transactions in Pakistan is near 10% a year. the digital adoption rate of transactions in Pakistan is near 10% a year
  198. He expects QR codes to become the standard, as the State Bank standardizes them. Eventually QR code aayega, QR code ek standardized jaise hi State Bank karega
  199. He says digital money that behaves like cash would remove the need for an intermediary. Once it goes to cryptography digital, and I don't need the intermediary layer, that's its digital rupee.
  200. He says the monetary system went insolvent in 2008. Our monetary system went insolvent in 2008. It literally went insolvent.
  201. He says the current monetary system dates from 1971, when the dollar was delinked from gold. since 1971, we've been on this new system where the dollar delinked from the gold
  202. He says a financial crisis comes almost every 7 to 10 years. the crisis there's a crisis coming almost every 7 to 10 years
  203. He says a commercial real estate crisis is coming. There's a commercial real estate crisis coming.
  204. He says Pakistan's total debt was 6,000 billion rupees from 1947 to 2008. From 1947 to 2008, the total debt of Pakistan was 6,000 billion rupees
  205. He says Pakistan's debt rose by about 24,000 billion rupees from 2008 to 2018. from 2008 to 2018, we took on another 24,000 billion.
  206. He is certain the US will cut rates sometime in the next year. I can assure you, it's a mathematical certainty, sometime next year, they're going to cut
  207. He says what goes up cannot go up forever, and what goes down cannot keep going down forever. Whatever goes up can't infinitely go up forever. Whatever goes down can't infinitely go down forever
  208. He says the dollar is also losing value, not only the rupee. So, the dollar is also devaluing. It's just that it's not devaluing against us.
  209. He says human nature tends to over-speculate. So, human nature is to over-speculate.
  210. He says crypto and frontier market venture capital resembled the dot-com bubble in 2021. there were two markets in the world that resembled the dot-com bubble, uh, in 2021. One was crypto, and one was frontier market venture capital.
  211. He says the recent investments mark the start of a new cycle, not a bubble. I wouldn't say this is a bubble. Usually, this is the start of a new cycle.
  212. According to the episode description, he is the Founder, CEO and General Partner at Zayn.VC. Faisal is the Founder, CEO, and General Partner at Zayn.VC
  213. According to the episode description, he is one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan. He is also one of the Sharks on Shark Tank Pakistan, the local edition of the popular TV show.
  214. He is described as a Pakistani American with a 25-year career as an executive, entrepreneur and venture investor. Faisal Aftab is a Pakistani American with an impressive 25-year career as an executive, entrepreneur, and venture investor.
  215. He was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, in a military hospital. I was born in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, in a military hospital.
  216. He comes from a military family. I come from a military family.
  217. His father was a civil engineer. he was from the core of engineers and a civil engineer
  218. His father took a sabbatical from the military to do a PhD at UC Berkeley. he decided while he was in the military to take a sabbatical and go to his PhD in Bay Area, which is where Silicon Valley is, and he went to UC Berkeley
  219. He says his father is his main source of inspiration. most of my inspiration in life I get from him
  220. He says his father was behind several large projects in Pakistan. a lot of big projects in Pakistan that have come to fruition today, he had been behind them
  221. He grew up mostly in Berkeley, California. And so I actually grew up in Berkeley, California, most of my life.
  222. He lived in Pakistan, including Karachi, until about age six or seven. I was here till the age of about six, seven. So, we were I think in Karachi and multiple other places
  223. He finished high school in Pakistan. And then I finished my high school in Pakistan.
  224. He attended a military school. So, I went to a military school called Fauji Foundation
  225. He says attending the military school gave him exposure to the grit of Pakistan. going to that school, you I actually got exposure to the grit of what Pakistan is
  226. He says the military is the actual melting pot in Pakistan. the military is the actual melting pot in Pakistan
  227. He says he invests in founders from different layers and backgrounds. that's why I invest in founders that I understand from different layers and backgrounds
  228. He studied at Michigan State University. went to a big 10 school called Michigan State, the Spartans
  229. He took a five-year honors program that combined a bachelor's and a master's degree. I actually did a honors program which was a combined masters and bachelors
  230. He holds a master's of science in MIS and a master's in professional accounting. I have a masters uh of science in MIS and um in professional accounting
  231. His father wanted him to become a civil engineer. My father actually wanted me to be a civil engineer
  232. He switched his major from engineering to business. So, when it came time to pick, I picked the business school um as my major
  233. He says most of his friends were in the business school at the time. I realized that most of my friends were in the business school
  234. During a summer internship at a Big Four firm, he realized he did not like financial audit work. summer internship, which was with one of the big four accounting firms, I realized that I really didn't like financial uh audit financial audits
  235. After the internship he decided to also take management information systems. So, when I came back the subsequent fall, I decided to also take management information systems
  236. He graduated in 2000 after a five-year program. I graduated in 2000 because of the five year um
  237. After graduating he took a consulting job offer from Deloitte Consulting and moved to New York. It was called Deloitte Consulting. Um and so took that uh job offer and moved to New York.
  238. He wanted to move to New York at the time. So, at that time, I just wanted to move to New York.
  239. He later met his wife in New York. I actually took the offer in New York, where in subsequently I ended up meeting my wife
  240. He worked at Deloitte for about five or six years. So, I was there for about uh let's say about five or six years.
  241. His clients included Blackstone Group and JP Morgan. most of my clients were like, you know, basically Blackstone Group, JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley
  242. He says his consulting work was largely technology-oriented. it was basically very technology-oriented consulting that we were doing
  243. He says his consulting work included the back-end systems of the New York Stock Exchange. even the New York Stock Exchange back-end systems, which is SIAC
  244. In 2006 he moved to National Financial Partners, where he did corporate M&A and operational restructuring. Um in 2006, I moved over to another uh company called National Financial Partners, right? Um where I was doing more of corporate M&A and operational restructuring
  245. In 2006, while still working, he started a side business. in 2006, while I was working, I actually started moonlighting, which is doing a business on the side
  246. He saw demand among viewers in the West for Pakistani television channels. I realized that there's television channels in Pakistan, people want to consume them. Right. In the West.
  247. He later joined a company founded by someone else and became one of its executives to scale it. So, somebody else had founded it, and then I came in later, and I I became one of the executives to scale the company.
  248. He proposed creating a content company that would acquire content rights. I'll create a content company where I go and acquire content rights
  249. He says content rights were secured for Indian, Afghan, Pakistani and Persian content. we went and secured content rights and did all sorts of uh you know, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Persian content
  250. He says he then moved into making technology investments himself. And then at that point, I basically started moving on into more tech investments myself
  251. He says he went entrepreneurial in 2012. in 20 2012, I actually went entrepreneurial
  252. He says he got into a rabbit hole of economics merged with technology, Bitcoin and Ethereum. gotten into a whole rabbit hole of economics merge with the technology and Bitcoin and Ethereum
  253. He created one of Pakistan's first institutional venture capital firms. I actually created one of Pakistan's first institutional VCs um called Laxon Venture Capital backed by the Laxon Group
  254. He says he started investing in 2018. usse pehle you started investments in 2018. I did.
  255. He invested in an edtech company from his first fund. I actually invested in an edtech for my first fund, called Knowledge Platform
  256. He says the edtech company is still around but did not scale to expectations. the company is still around, didn't really scale to expectations
  257. He does not think edtech is ripe in Pakistan. So I don't think edtech is ripe in Pakistan.
  258. He has chosen to focus his investing on B2B, B2C and fintech. I've chosen to concentrate more on the B2B, B2C and uh fintech side
  259. His fund invests through holding companies because its investors will not allow direct investment in Pakistani operating companies. our fund also invests in Holdcos only because our investors will not allow us to invest uh in Pakistani incorporated Opcos
  260. He says that after the 2008 financial crisis he began studying economic cycles. this all starts from 2008, global financial financial crisis, right? I went back and started studying cycles
  261. He says the US dollar has been the world's reserve currency since 1945. the reserve currency of the world since 1945 uh uh has been the US dollar
  262. He says Nixon suspended gold redemption in 1971, starting a new monetary system. And then in '71, Nixon um basically suspended the redemption temporarily of gold and we started a new monetary system
  263. He describes the current monetary system as debt-based. you're now sitting on a debt-based monetary system
  264. He says he is bullish on the dollar, though he expects the shift to take years. I'm not bearish on the dollar. I'm actually very, very bullish on the dollar because these things take years to play out
  265. He says the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. the Federal Reserve, which is the most important central bank in the world, uh was created in 1913
  266. He expects a currency war, played out through interest rates and trade tariffs. actually a financial war, it's a currency war, which you'll see play out in the form of interest rates and trade tariffs
  267. He says China has reached technology symmetry with the US. They've actually attained, um, technology symmetry with the US
  268. He expects accountants and lawyers to be disrupted rapidly in the next 5 to 10 years. Anything logic-based, accountants, lawyers, all that stuff, right? Is going to get disrupted very rapidly in the next 5 to 10 years
  269. He expects cash to disappear eventually, globally. when cash disappears eventually, which it will globally
  270. He argues bribery becomes impossible once money is digital. You can't get a bribe when money is digital
  271. He says the economy will not be documented until digital payments are enforced, as Modi did. you're not going to document in the way until you enforce digital payments, which is what Modi did
  272. He says Pakistan has about 3 to 4 million registered taxpayers. like teen, chaar million registered taxpayers hain
  273. He says Pakistan's freelance market ranks fourth in the world. Now our freelance market, we're actually the fourth in the world, right?
  274. He estimates Pakistan's IT and freelance exports at 6 to 7 billion dollars, with only one or two billion reaching Pakistan. yeh probably hogi 6 billion dollar pe ya 7 billion dollar pe, lekin usmein se sirf ek do billion Pakistan aa raha hai, mushkil se
  275. He calls on the private sector to set up technical training centers. And so why not set up technical training centers and try to produce better quality? I'm not asking the government, I'm actually this is a call to the private sector
  276. He says the best programmers he has hired were self-taught. The best programmers I've hired in my life were not did not even have a formal education. They were self-taught.
  277. He says Pakistanis hold senior positions in Silicon Valley and big tech. you look at Silicon Valley, big tech, right? You see Pakistanis in pretty senior positions
  278. He says some of Pakistan's smartest people have left the country over several decades. I think some of the smartest people in this country left in the 60s, 70s, 90s, 2000s, even today
  279. He says 70% of Pakistan's population is under 30. 70% of this population is below the age of 30
  280. He says global corporations tend to group Pakistan with the Middle East. the world tends to, if you look at any major corporation, bucket us with the Middle East
  281. He says he is bullish on Pakistan, and not only because he invests there. I'm more optimistic and I'm actually bullish and not because I'm investing in Pakistan
  282. He says Pakistan's economy is effectively about one-third documented. effectively a 1/3 documented economy
  283. He says ordinary Pakistanis will become globalized citizens and benefit. the person will they'll become globalized citizens essentially and they'll benefit at the end
  284. He says EasyPaisa, JazzCash, SadaPay and multiple other money layers exist. EasyPaisa, JazzCash, NayaPay, SadaPay, uh multiple other money layers are there
  285. He says India is the fifth largest economy because the black economy has shrunk. Consequently, India is the fifth largest economy because black economy is gone
  286. He says he read a great deal of Ray Dalio's work after 2008. Ray Dalio ka ek bada interesting thesis hai. And he's one of the, by the, one of the people that I, um, especially after 2008, I went back and read so much of his stuff