Omair Ansari
former portfolio manager associated with Abhi
Compiled from 1 recorded interview. Every statement below is drawn from the passage cited beside it.
Omair Ansari is the co-founder and CEO of Abhi. Ansari's first job was at a hedge fund in London. He worked in London, Hong Kong and Dubai for a company that ran a sub-fund.
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Early life and background
Ansari was born in London. He lived in Nigeria, Paris, Bombay, London, Toronto and Abu Dhabi, and then returned to Toronto. He has not lived in any one country for more than five years of his life. [1]
Wherever he lived, he attended the American school. His graduating class in Abu Dhabi had 36 people and 38 nationalities. He took part in Model United Nations at school. [1]
Education
Ansari was admitted to a good university in the United States, but his student visa was rejected. He then went to Canada. He completed a B.Com with a double major in finance and political science. He added finance to his political science degree because he doubted that a political science degree alone would get him a real job. [1]
Career
Ansari's first job was at a hedge fund in London. He worked in London, Hong Kong and Dubai for a company that ran a sub-fund. He stayed at the hedge fund for just over four years. [1]
During the financial crisis, his fund was up 36% while markets fell close to 40%. The fund ran out of assets and shut down, even though it had performed well. It lacked certain provisions, such as gates, to limit investors taking money out. After the fund closed, he was out of work for six to nine months. [1]
He moved to New York, where his sister lived, to look for work. In New York he was targeted by job-interview scams that asked applicants to pay. He then looked for work in Toronto. [1]
Doha and frontier markets
A company in Doha approached Ansari and said it was launching a MENA fund and looking at launching an Asia equity fund as well. At that company he helped set up a portfolio and start running it. He was at the Doha company for about two and a half to three years. He described Doha as really boring and said the work was not pushing him much. [1]
He then joined a firm that he described as the leader in frontier markets. His first assignment there was to take a group of investors to Iraq. He learned from the Iraq trip how volatile frontier and emerging markets can be. He moved to Lagos to help run the consumer and brewery advisory research work. He also went on to Johannesburg, Rwanda and Uganda for the same firm. [1]
Ansari was at that firm for just under four years, about three and a half. At that firm he helped expand its footprint to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Vietnam. There he first met fintech and fell in love with it. [1]
Portfolio management and advisory work
Ansari moved from Dubai to New York to join a frontier market fund as an analyst. He was promoted to portfolio manager on the product. He travelled about three weeks a month in that role. [1]
His fund held positions in companies in China. In that role he saw financial inclusion happen outside banks in emerging markets. He worked at Morgan Stanley and was a strategic adviser to a second firm at the same time. [1]
Moving to Pakistan
Ansari says he looked at many transactions and companies from countries surrounding Pakistan, but never anything in Pakistan. He holds the view that comfort breeds complacency. He described a personal challenge of finding out whether he could actually be an operator. He believes an entrepreneur should try to be on the other side of the table. He believed that if he did not build in Pakistan, someone else would. [1]
About two years passed between his deciding he wanted to do something and his quitting. When he first raised the idea in a conversation over a meal, the person he was speaking with said he would back him. He met banks, regulators, officials and fintech firms to test the idea. He had no operational experience in Pakistan when he started. [1]
Ansari resigned in January and was on gardening leave until the end of May. He moved to Pakistan in early March. He got married in Pakistan. He says Abhi went live in July. [1]
Abhi
Ansari is associated with Abhi. His co-founder, Ali, is the operational co-founder and chief operating officer. He and his co-founder went to a company of about 400 people and put posters around the office. He says Abhi lets employees access their salary early, in under 30 seconds, through employer tie-ups. He says Abhi is paid back directly by the employer. [1]
He says Abhi calls itself a financial wellness platform. He says the plan is to build trust first, then move customers up the financial ladder to credit. He says Abhi charges a flat fee of 2% per transaction, with no late fees and no penalties. He says Abhi is Shariah-compliant. [1]
He says Abhi's maximum duration is 30 days and that it can pay out to any wallet or bank account. He says Abhi is working with the likes of EasyPaisa, where there will be no fee. He says Abhi works only with companies for now, with a consumer product to follow. He says Abhi plans to look at a consumer product in 2022. [1]
Ansari says that within two weeks Abhi had about 30 to 40% of an employee base transacting with it, with no further advertising. He says Abhi did just over $4,500 in transactions in the last week of July. He says monthly transactions were about $25,000 in August, $350,000 in September and just over $1 million in October. He says monthly transactions reached $7.9 million by December. He says Abhi is also getting reverse solicitation. [1]
He says Abhi has signed over 90 companies and is onboarding about 650,000 employees. He says Abhi has offices in Karachi and Lahore. He says Abhi has customers in Multan, Faisalabad and Sialkot, though it has not gone there in person. He says Abhi took part in a Y Combinator batch in the summer. [1]
He says Abhi raised $2 million in seed funding. He says the seed plan set aside $1.5 million for lending and $500,000 for operating and capital costs. He says Abhi raised $5.5 million in a pre-Series A round in October or November. He says Abhi is now going into its Series A. [1]
He says Abhi is in talks with several banks for credit lines and has kept its burn and team small. He says Abhi may expand beyond Pakistan later, but Pakistan is enough for now. He says Pakistan is the focus, with enough of a market there to go after. [1]
Views
Ansari says wage inflation rarely happens, because companies seldom give an inflation increase at the end of the year. He says people sometimes have to wait up to 60 days to be paid their salary. He says living paycheck to paycheck is often not the individual's fault. He says traditional banks lack the data aspect and the ability to segment that data. [1]
He says Africa is not one place, with more than 50 very different countries. He says Egypt and Nigeria are very similar to Pakistan. He says seizing of assets has happened in Kenya and Ethiopia because debt repayments became very problematic. [1]
He describes certain venture investors as loan sharks who want to see a company become cash flow positive, or return cash, within five to six months. He says venture investing expects many companies to fail. He says 300 million is big in Pakistan's context, but nothing compared to similar regions. He hopes annoyances like currency depreciation and poor access to finance will ease by 2050. [1]
Ansari says cash is still 98% or more of the economy and that Abhi's main competition is cash. He says reaching 85 to 90% cash and the rest digital within three to five years would be a great achievement. He says UPI put transactions on the rails at essentially zero cost, which he hopes Raast ends up doing. He says typical merchant discount rates are 1.5 to 3%. [1]
He says foodpanda couriers want cash on delivery. He says the appeal of cash is that money can be used instantly. He says a company in Dubai that Abhi is looking to work with is able to bring the merchant discount rate to zero. [1]
Timeline
- 2022
- Ansari says Abhi plans to look at a consumer product.[1]
Appearances
| Date | Title | Where |
|---|---|---|
| 2022-01-17 | Why an ex-Morgan Stanley PM left New York to build Abhi in Karachi | Thought Behind Things |
Frequently asked questions
Where is Omair Ansari from?
Omair Ansari was born in London. He lived in Nigeria, Paris, Bombay, London, Toronto and Abu Dhabi, and then returned to Toronto. He has not lived in any one country for more than five years of his life, and he moved to Pakistan in early March.[1]
Where did Omair Ansari study?
Omair Ansari was admitted to a good university in the United States, but his student visa was rejected, and he then went to Canada. He completed a B.Com with a double major in finance and political science. He added finance because he doubted a political science degree alone would get him a real job.[1]
What is Omair Ansari's career background?
Omair Ansari's first job was at a hedge fund in London. He later joined a firm that he described as the leader in frontier markets, and then a frontier market fund where he was promoted to portfolio manager. He also worked at Morgan Stanley and was a strategic adviser to a second firm at the same time.[1]
What is Abhi, according to Omair Ansari?
Omair Ansari says Abhi lets employees access their salary early, in under 30 seconds, through employer tie-ups. He says Abhi calls itself a financial wellness platform and is Shariah-compliant. He also says Abhi charges a flat fee of 2% per transaction, with no late fees and no penalties.[1]
Why did Omair Ansari move to Pakistan?
Omair Ansari has said he believed that if he did not build in Pakistan, someone else would. He resigned in January and moved to Pakistan in early March. He had no operational experience in Pakistan when he started.[1]
What funding has Abhi raised, according to Omair Ansari?
Omair Ansari says Abhi raised $2 million in seed funding. He says it also raised $5.5 million in a pre-Series A round in October or November, and that it is now going into its Series A.[1]
What does Omair Ansari say about cash and digital payments?
Omair Ansari says cash is still 98% or more of the economy and that Abhi's main competition is cash. He says reaching 85 to 90% cash and the rest digital within three to five years would be a great achievement. He also says the appeal of cash is that money can be used instantly.[1]
References
- Why an ex-Morgan Stanley PM left New York to build Abhi in Karachi . Thought Behind Things , 2022-01-17.
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- Omair Ansari was born in London.
Yeah, so I was born in London and then moved to Lagos, Nigeria.
- He lived in Nigeria, Paris, Bombay, London, Toronto and Abu Dhabi, and then returned to Toronto.
So, in Nigeria, then Paris, then Bombay, then London, then Toronto, then Abu Dhabi, then back to Toronto.
- He has not lived in any one country for more than five years of his life.
I've lived in no country more than five years my entire life.
- Wherever he lived, he attended the American school.
everywhere I went, I was lucky enough to go to the American school.
- His graduating class in Abu Dhabi had 36 people and 38 nationalities.
for example, my graduating class in Abu Dhabi, we were 36 people but 38 nationalities.
- He was admitted to a good university in the United States, but his student visa was rejected.
I'd gotten into a good university in in the US, and then my student visa got rejected.
- He then went to Canada.
After that, I went to Canada because I wasn't smart enough to get into the US, and also it was the year of 9/11.
- He completed a B.Com with a double major in finance and political science.
I did B.Com, so it was a double major in Finance and Political Science.
- He added finance to his political science degree because he doubted a political science degree alone would get him a real job.
So, I knew I wanted the the foundation of finance because with just a poli sci degree, I was like, 'How am I going to get a real job?'
- He took part in Model United Nations at school.
I did Model United Nations as well in school
- His first job was at a hedge fund in London.
First job was with a hedge fund in London.
- He worked in London, Hong Kong and Dubai for a company that ran a sub-fund.
So, I was in London and Hong Kong and Dubai with a company called Marshall Wace, with a sub-fund called Covert Capital.
- He stayed at the hedge fund for just over four years.
I was there for just over four years, and then the financial crisis hit.
- During the financial crisis his fund was up 36% while markets fell close to 40%.
our fund that we were running at the time was actually up 36% when the markets were down close to 40%.
- His fund ran out of assets and shut down, even though it had performed well.
we went down to having next to no assets and had to shut down, even though we performed well.
- The fund lacked certain provisions, such as gates, to limit investors taking money out.
because we didn't have certain provisions placed for gates, etc., for people to take money out.
- After the fund closed he was out of work for six to nine months.
I was jobless for, I'd say, six to nine months.
- He moved to New York, where his sister lived, to look for work.
my sister was living in New York at the time. So, I was like, I'm going to go and look for a job in New York.
- In New York he was targeted by job-interview scams that asked applicants to pay.
I got duped by many different scams of interviews, etc., where you had to pay for blah blah blah
- He then looked for work in Toronto.
I then went to Toronto, said, okay, let me try my luck in Toronto.
- A company in Doha approached him and said it was launching a MENA fund and looking at launching an Asia equity fund as well.
a company in Doha at that time called Amwal, which is part of the QIA, they had approached me and they said, 'Look, we're launching a MENA fund and we're looking at launching an Asia equity fund as well.
- At that company he helped set up a portfolio and start running it.
And basically helped set up that portfolio and start running that for for the company.
- He was at the Doha company for about two and a half to three years.
I was there for about two and a half, three years.
- He described Doha as really boring and said the work was not pushing him much.
Doha was really boring. So, it wasn't really pushing me that much the work-wise
- He then joined a firm that he described as the leader in frontier markets.
So, Renaissance Capital was, or is, still the leader when it comes to frontier markets.
- His first assignment there was to take a group of investors to Iraq.
My first assignment was to go and take a group of investors to Iraq.
- He learned from the Iraq trip how volatile frontier and emerging markets can be.
So, this is how you learn about the volatility of of frontier emerging markets.
- He moved to Lagos to help run the consumer and brewery advisory research work.
So, I moved to Lagos to basically help head up the the consumer and brewery advisory function over there on the research side.
- He also went on to Johannesburg, Rwanda and Uganda for the same firm.
All for Renaissance, to Jo'burg, I was in Jo'burg for a little while, went to Rwanda, then to Uganda.
- He was at that firm for just under four years, about three and a half.
I was there for just under four years, three and a half.
- At that firm he helped expand its footprint to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Vietnam.
I expanded the footprint. We set up, uh, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Vietnam.
- At that firm he first met fintech and fell in love with it.
that was where I really first met kind of fintech for the first time, uh, and fell in love with it.
- He moved from Dubai to New York to join a frontier market fund as an analyst.
so I moved from Dubai to New York. Uh, so, um, they were running a a frontier market fund at the time. Uh, and so I joined on that as an analyst.
- He was promoted to portfolio manager on the product.
I got promoted, became portfolio manager on the product.
- He travelled about three weeks a month in that role.
I was like three weeks of the month I was traveling around the world to these different countries
- His fund held positions in companies in China.
we were in Qudian in China, uh, we were in Ant Financial in China
- In that role he saw financial inclusion happen outside banks in emerging markets.
So, started seeing a lot of this hap- the financial inclusion happening outside the banks in a lot of these emerging markets.
- He worked at Morgan Stanley and was a strategic adviser to a second firm at the same time.
went on as a strategic advisor at Vostok as well. So, I was doing Morgan Stanley as well as Vostok.
- He says he looked at many transactions and companies from countries surrounding Pakistan, but never anything in Pakistan.
we were looking at a lot of transactions, a lot of companies, uh, that were coming out of all the countries surrounding Pakistan, and even a little bit further outside Pakistan, but never anything in Pakistan.
- He holds the view that comfort breeds complacency.
one of the general ethos I have is comfort breeds complacency.
- He described a personal challenge of finding out whether he could actually be an operator.
I think it was a personal challenge to say, can you actually be an operator?
- He believes an entrepreneur should try to be on the other side of the table.
I always feel like you should always try and be the person on the other side of the table.
- He believed that if he did not build in Pakistan, someone else would.
And it came down to me for, if I don't do this, someone else will.
- He got married in Pakistan.
I got married in Pakistan.
- About two years passed between his deciding he wanted to do something and his quitting.
the point of me deciding I wanted to do something to me actually quitting was about two years
- When he first raised the idea in a conversation over a meal, the person he was speaking with said he would back him.
Uh, that conversation, I remember, we went to this restaurant, we were catching up actually over some other stuff, and that's where I brought this up. And he turned around and said, 'I'll back you.'
- He met banks, regulators, officials and fintech firms to test the idea.
I met the banks, I met the regulators, I met, uh, senior people in government officials
- He had no operational experience in Pakistan when he started.
So, I had no operational experience in Pakistan.
- His co-founder, Ali, is the operational co-founder and chief operating officer.
So, my co-founder, Ali, uh, Ali Ladhubhai, is my operational co-founder, so he's the COO.
- He and his co-founder went to a company of about 400 people and put posters around the office.
So, I was in New York, he was here. We went to a company with about 400 people, and we put posters around the office.
- He says Abhi lets employees access their salary early, in under 30 seconds, through employer tie-ups.
we tie up with the with the employer, and we provide you as the employee the ability to access your salary instantaneously at any time in the month and in under 30 seconds.
- He says Abhi is paid back directly by the employer.
To the company, so we we get paid back from the employer directly.
- He says that within two weeks Abhi had about 30 to 40% of an employee base transacting with it, with no further advertising.
within two weeks, we had about 30 to 40% of the employee base transacting with us, with no further advertising.
- He says Abhi did just over $4,500 in transactions in the last week of July.
Uh, in July, last week of July, we did just over $4,500 in transactions.
- He says monthly transactions were about $25,000 in August, $350,000 in September and just over $1 million in October.
August was 25,000, September was $350,000, October was just over a million
- He says monthly transactions reached $7.9 million by December.
You fast-forward to December, we're now doing $7.9 million a month in transactions.
- He says Abhi is also getting reverse solicitation.
we are getting reverse solicitation as well.
- He says Abhi calls itself a financial wellness platform.
We call ourselves a financial wellness platform for that exact reason.
- He says the plan is to build trust first, then move customers up the financial ladder to credit.
The idea is that once I build that trust with you, as an individual, when it comes to credit, my ability to bring you up the financial ladder becomes that much easier.
- He says wage inflation rarely happens, because companies seldom give an inflation increase at the end of the year.
Uh, wage inflation doesn't happen. Very rarely do companies give you a inflation bump at the end of the year
- He says people sometimes have to wait up to 60 days to be paid their salary.
Over here, people sometimes have to wait up to 60 days to get paid their salary,
- He says living paycheck to paycheck is often not the individual's fault.
So, sometimes it's just not your fault when it comes living paycheck to paycheck.
- He says traditional banks lack the data aspect and the ability to segment that data.
I think the thing that's lacking from traditional banks is the data aspect and being able to segment that data
- He says Abhi charges a flat fee of 2% per transaction.
So, we charge a flat fee of 2% per transaction.
- He says Abhi charges no late fees and no penalties.
So, there's no late fees, there's no penalties, etc.
- He says Abhi is Shariah-compliant.
We're Shariah-compliant as well, which is hugely important for Pakistan.
- He says Abhi's maximum duration is 30 days.
So, our maximum duration is 30 days.
- He says Abhi can pay out to any wallet or bank account.
So, we're completely, uh, interoperable. So, we go into any wallet and any bank account.
- He says Abhi is working with the likes of EasyPaisa, where there will be no fee.
We're now working with the likes of JazzCash, EasyPaisa where there will be no fee.
- He says Abhi works only with companies for now, with a consumer product to follow.
For now, but we will be launching a B2C product.
- He says Abhi plans to look at a consumer product in 2022.
it's going to be something we're looking at doing in, uh, in 2022.
- He says Abhi has signed over 90 companies.
So, we now have signed on over 90 companies,
- He says Abhi is onboarding about 650,000 employees.
we're onboarding about 650,000 employees.
- He says Abhi has offices in Karachi and Lahore.
We have two offices right now in Karachi and Lahore.
- He says Abhi has customers in Multan, Faisalabad and Sialkot, though it has not gone there in person.
we've got customers who have are sitting in Multan and Faisalabad, Sialkot, um, even though we haven't physically gone there yet
- He resigned in January and was on gardening leave until the end of May.
So, I resigned in January. Uh, I was on gardening leave, advisory period till end of May
- He moved to Pakistan in early March.
Ah, so I moved here beginning of March, uh, and we went live in July.
- He says Abhi went live in July.
Ah, so I moved here beginning of March, uh, and we went live in July.
- He says Abhi took part in a Y Combinator batch in the summer.
we did Y Combinator in the summer and there was a company that was in our batch
- He says Abhi raised $2 million in seed funding.
we had raised 2 million dollars in our seed
- He says the seed plan set aside $1.5 million for lending and $500,000 for operating and capital costs.
to use 1.5 million dollars for our balance sheet to be able to do the lending, and 500,000 dollars for OPEX, CAPEX
- He says Abhi raised $5.5 million in a pre-Series A round in October or November.
we raised 5.5 million dollars uh in October or November uh as a pre-Series A round.
- He says Abhi is now going into its Series A.
And we're now going into our Series A.
- He says Abhi is in talks with several banks for credit lines.
So, we're in talks with a few banks, which hopefully we will be able to get lines from them fairly soon.
- He says Abhi has kept its burn and team small.
So, we've actually kept our burn very low and our team small comparatively to a lot of other companies.
- He says Africa is not one place, with more than 50 very different countries.
Africa is not one place, right? So, over 50 countries in Africa, each one very different from the other.
- He says Egypt and Nigeria are very similar to Pakistan.
Places like Egypt and Nigeria, for example, very similar to Pakistan.
- He says seizing of assets has happened in Kenya and Ethiopia because debt repayments became very problematic.
we've already seen places like Kenya, uh, we've seen it in Ethiopia as well, where seiz- seizing of assets has happened because debt repayments become very problematic.
- He describes certain venture investors as loan sharks who want to see a company become cash flow positive, or return cash, within five to six months.
VC loan sharks, and they want to see that you become cash flow positive or you've created a uh a model that returns uh cash within kind of five to six months
- He says cash is still 98% or more of the economy.
Cash is still 98%, if not more, of the economy.
- He says Abhi's main competition is cash.
And our competition is cash.
- He says reaching 85 to 90% cash and the rest digital within three to five years would be a great achievement.
if we can get to 85-90% of the economy being cash and the rest being digital over the course of the next three to five years, that'd be a great achievement.
- He says UPI put transactions on the rails at essentially zero cost, which he hopes Raast ends up doing.
So, UPI basically came out and made transactions on the rails, which is hopefully what Raast ends up doing over here, essentially zero.
- He says typical merchant discount rates are 1.5 to 3%.
the merchant discount rate is between 1.5 to 3%.
- He says Foodpanda couriers want cash on delivery.
If you order Foodpanda, they come and deliver the food, they want cash.
- He says the appeal of cash is that money can be used instantly.
The beauty of cash is you give me a 100 rupees, I get that right now and then I can use that.
- He says a company in Dubai that Abhi is looking to work with is able to bring the merchant discount rate to zero.
a really interesting company in Dubai uh which we're looking to work with when it comes to Pakistan, where they're able to bring the MDR to zero.
- He says 300 million is big in Pakistan's context, but nothing compared to similar regions.
Uh 300 million is big in terms of Pakistan's context, but nothing compared to synonymous regions like Indo
- He says venture investing expects many companies to fail.
the whole premise of of entrepreneurship and VC investing is that you should have a lot of companies actually that go bust because it's not easy
- He says Pakistan is the focus, with enough of a market there to go after.
Pakistan's the focus. Uh there's enough of a market here to to go after.
- He says Abhi may expand beyond Pakistan later, but Pakistan is enough for now.
we will definitely look to expand, but Pakistan itself is a big enough market for us to really dig our teeth into.
- He hopes annoyances like currency depreciation and poor access to finance will ease by 2050.
I hope by 2050, uh all these annoyances that we have to deal with on a daily basis, whether it be the whole currency depreciation constantly because of where the current account deficit is and because access to finance is so tough within the country
- Omair Ansari is associated with ABHI.
Pakistan's Fastest Growing Unicorn Ft. Omair Ansari of ABHI